# Grin notes

https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2016/10/21 Start of Grin on Gitter beginning on 10/21/2016.

https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00000.html Mailing list beginning on 12/08/2016. Tree format at https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/thrd4.html

https://launchpad.net/~mimblewimble Mailing list website. Lists members, with some interesting names (Lehnberg 4/16/18, David Burkett 10/11/2018, Gary Yu 06/01/2018, Guy Corem 10/31/2018, hashmap 04/23/2018, Ignotus Peverell 12/08/2016, Jackson Palmer 06/15/2017, Jameson Lopp 07/27/2017, Jimmy Song 05/26/2017, John Tromp 12/08/2016 [the day the list started], Yeastplume 06/11/2017)

https://breakermag.com/grin-founder-ignotus-peverell-on-life-after-launch-and-the-path-forward/ Interview with Igno after the launch, 02/27/2019.

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### Council members
1. Tromp
"appeared" via mention 2nd day of gitter: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2016/10/22 First appearance by him: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/02/14 Tromp asks about Grin name and Igno answers next day: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/02/24
2. Yeastplume
appears: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/06/18
3. Antioch
appears: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/08/10 with a PR
4. Jasper
appears: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/07/10
5. Quentin
appears https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/12/31
6. Hashmap
appears? (likely earlier): https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/03/27
7. Gary Yu (no longer on council)
appears? (very possibly earlier) https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/07/17
8. Lehnberg
appears says London meetup May 22, 2018: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/04/19 Next day, Yeastplume says he might attend.

Forum source: https://www.grin-forum.org/t/technomity-new-members/635

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Left off

https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/01/01

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### Other channels
all https://gitter.im/grin_community
dev https://gitter.im/grin_community/dev/archives/2017/10/20
support https://gitter.im/grin_community/support/archives/2018/12/05
ecosystem https://gitter.im/grin_community/ecosystem/archives/2019/01/24
design https://gitter.im/grin_community/design/archives/2018/11/13
events https://gitter.im/grin_community/events/archives/2019/01/24

### Notable Posts and People on Gitter or Mailing List
1. Andrew Poelstra appears: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2016/11/07 This is early in Grin Gitter life, about 2.5 weeks in.
2. Igno's first mailing list post https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00001.html He runs down what's happening, writes "...there's a lot left to do and a lot more tricky decisions to make. I'll do everything I can to keep the journey interesting and constructive."
3. Tromp asks "any1 know where the name grin comes from?" https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/02/24 and Igno answers the next day "@tromp Gringotts was too long, just shortened it a little :P
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Gringotts_Wizarding_Bank" https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/02/25
4. Igno references a write-up in Coindesk (the first "mainstream" article?) by Catheryne Nicholson of BlockCypher. https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/04/30?at=59062b9e08c00c092acec155 Coindesk article at https://www.coindesk.com/mimblewimble-silly-sounding-tech-seriously-reform-bitcoin
5. Jackson Palmer (dogecoin) appears: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/06/15
6. 0xb100d appears: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/07/25
7. Igno acknowledges the first website design https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/06/16?at=59440e3ccf9c13503c919a3f Site inactive at http://aleph.com.mx/site/ but can be viewed at https://web.archive.org/web/20170706141650/http://aleph.com.mx/site/ in black-and-white and misspelled glory. Or, visit when Grin was red at https://web.archive.org/web/20170825123156/http://aleph.com.mx:80/site Spoiler: the red didn't last very long.
8. Igno sends credit to Tom Elvis for 1 year anniversary: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/08/02
9. Igno on mailing list sends out "Branding and messaging" email. Topics: blockchain type, implementation, smallest unit. https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00172.html Igno throws out basic things that reflect the core of what makes Grin, Grin. Tromp suggests #1 and #2 stay Grin and Grin https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00190.html, Yeastplume suggests an "ingot", or some variation of ingot, be the smallest unit https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00174.html
10. Igno and Yeastplume lament silly squabbling that goes on with open source anything. And, they share how time increasingly must be spent on such things instead of the tech. https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/09/07 Igno also cites a poll regarding "project-names", since expired. Yeast adds Coiny McCoinface.
11. Iancu Aurel: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/09/15?at=59bb6c02614889d475fdae2c says hello, then again: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/09/28?at=59cd59a7cfeed2eb65615233
12. First (?) podcast? by @bidredmachine https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/09/23?at=59c69717177fb9fe7ef56a90
13. Igno announced the grin-tech.org website https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/09/28?at=59cd8d45f7299e8f53858853 A month later, it looked like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20171021113539/http://grin-tech.org/
14. Andrew Poelstra pleads to avoid tribalism https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/10/19?at=59e857aee44c43700a501377
15. The dev channel on Gitter begins https://gitter.im/grin_community/dev/archives/2017/10/20
16. Discussion about smallest Grin unit, including terms "atom", "nanogrin", and "microgrin", with nano winning. https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/10/20?at=59e9ec04210ac269200d7536
17. proposal for nano grin = smirk https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/10/23
18. first planned fork? by @heyrhett https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/10/25 and follow-up the next day by Igno who urges the ICO fork make itself explicitly distinct https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/10/25?at=59f14d1a210ac269203079a6
19. A Grin logo by @0xb100d with yellow face with black snake eating itself as the eyes https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/10/28 posted as https://imgur.com/a/sV8HD Another version at https://imgur.com/oo3L1M5 Yet another begins to show the grinning smile we've come to know https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/10/29?at=59f655c28808bed73d436bee And Tromp got in with https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/11/01?at=59f9a5ce614889d47527c8e6 shown at https://github.com/tromp/cuckoo/blob/master/img/grinlogo.pdf which was, somewhat predictably from a math guy, clinical or "sterile" as the discussion went. The subsequent discussion with @Zorn-O was rather interesting. Zorn-O focuses on the feeling, Tromp the precision. But, thinking of logos and branding forced introspection into the core beliefs of Grin.
20. In the logo discussion, mention to not have more Harry Potter references https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/11/01?at=59f9d2f1614889d47528b595
21. A logo "contest" emerged from the mailing list https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00296.html and many designs were made https://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/mysterious-cryptocurrency-needs-creative-logo-769896/entries Igno chimed in and was a bit unimpressed. He called for creativity and personality, "They're very geometric for little apparent reason, even though we do have a lot of personality!" https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00307.html Igno suggested the smiling/grinning emoji https://unicode-table.com/en/1F601/ | https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00314.html Perhaps this is where the Grin version of the smile face logo began.
22. Igno announces on mailing list that the first testnet is out https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00341.html
23. Adam B. Levine, host of Let's Talk Bitcoin https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/11/29
24. Captain Crypto, host of podcast connects with Yeastplume https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/11/30 Podcast comes out in January at https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/captain-crypto-show/e/52891501
25. Igno offers a year-end state-of-Grin assessment, including words from the heart, "But I'm grateful for the passion, interest, perseverance and openness of everyone involved. Everyone has been very welcoming, it's really something to be proud about." https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00369.html
26. Andrew Poelstra did a podcast with @bidredmachine https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00372.html | podcast at https://moneromonitor.com/episodes/2017-12-05-Episode-016.html
27. An early donation to Grin from Catheryne Nicholson of BlockCypher https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00378.html and and appeal to reach out to women.
28. Igno calls for a Monday "developer pow wow" on the mailing list https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00388.html Yeastplume offers a Tuesday. Is this the germination of the Tuesday meeting Grin tradition? That informal meeting takes place at https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/12/18?at=5a381017c65707ba2b6990f6
29. Igno announces the wiki creation https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00393.html | wiki located at https://github.com/mimblewimble/docs/wiki
30. Igno proposes to start a "discourse.org instance" to make communication more friendly to non-techy people https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00400.html A week and a half later, Jan. 10, 2018, Igno announces the forum https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00443.html at the URL https://www.grin-forum.org/
31. The "hacker" theme website (black, green, monospace) is archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20180513060944/https://grin-tech.org/ The black-and-yellow "Meet Grin" website is archived on December 7th of 2018 (link below).
32. Logo evolution continued https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2017/11/17?at=5a0ef6e7cc1d527f6b81909f
33. Igno "to the moon" https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/01/08
34. Starmute G logo https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/01/09 Website proposal also that day.
35. Igno tempted by twitter https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/01/15
36. Igno on "least supreme leader", f-ups, cats as a-holes https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/01/16
37. Guy had a dream of logo (last item on page) https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/01/28
38. Lehnberg adds to the mailing list (06/11/2018) about Yeastplume attending the London meetup and doing a Q&A session https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00493.html | Lehnberg's writeup at https://medium.com/grin-mimblewimble/grin-mimblewimble-meetup-in-london-with-yeastplume-f11476b3a590
39. Governance meeting (dev meetings seem to already be in place) https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2018/08/15 This was a Weds, they work out the meeting name, time (4 UTC), alternating Tuesdays with dev meetings, & Lehnberg's "technocratic council" name.
40. @0xb100d announces TMGOX 09/23/2018 https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00587.html Store at https://tmgox.com/
41. Grincon0 announcement on mailing list 10/09/2018 https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00589.html | https://grincon.org/
42. GrinconUS update by Catheryne Nicholson 12/11/2019 https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00605.html | Site at https://grincon.us/
43. The black-and-yellow "Meet Grin" website is archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20181207104200/https://grin-tech.org/
44. Igno mails the plan for the mainnet going live 12/21/2018 https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00611.html
45. Genesis block mined! Igno sends an email 01/15/2019 https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00618.html
46. theymos
https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2019/01/17 Igno says thanks, scolds someone for bringing contention into Grin Gitter, and says to ignore the drama at: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby/archives/2019/01/16?at=5c3fd4f239596c372bf304e6
47. Igno looks back at the launch, and how far Grin has come. 01/18/2019 https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00622.html He again writes from the heart: "This has been a long time in the making and I couldn't be more proud of our team, our community and what we accomplished with Grin v1.0.0 (yes, we're sporting the scary v1). Now it's time to look ahead, and our commitment to keep pushing Grin and its community forward has never been stronger. We've made clear that we weren't here for the quick ICO, but rather to push the state of the art in what can be accomplished with a blockchain. We have many research directions to pursue, and intend to make Grin even more nimble and private than it already is. I'm excited just thinking about it! We will continue to need your help. Many extremely talented individuals are working on this project, they will need support. And we will need help for some efforts, like audits or bounties for example. I hope that this launch proved again that we stand by our words and can deliver what we promise. In particular, Yeastplume is running another campaign. As I'm sure you know he has been instrumental in getting Grin where it is today. This isn't an easy way to work when you have a family, but it guarantees he will keep exercising his skills (not only the drinking ones) for the benefit of the Grin community. So I hope you'll show him some support if you can (and if you can't, a nice word never feels bad). Let's make Grin even more awesome!"
48. Igno expresses disappointment, perhaps scolds the community, over a lack of funding for Yeastplume 01/20/2019 https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00629.html
49. Decision to move meetings to Keybase 12/17/2019 - https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby?at=5df8f5a6578ecf4b1fbd4d10

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### Grincon
Grincon0 in Berlin, 11/09/2018
https://github.com/cyclefortytwo/grincon - Ignotus’ first speech. Or https://crrdlx.keybase.pub/grincon0.html for YouTube vids.

GrinconUS, 01/28/2019
Hero City, CA meeting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq54WpG5F4A with Catheryne Nicholson and Ignotus’ second speech.

Grincon1 in Berlin, 11/22/2019
http://www.grincon.org