2023-07-19 Conda Community Meeting

--- tags: [meeting-notes] --- # 2023-07-19 Conda Community Meeting [Zoom link](https://zoom.us/j/9138593505) · [What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://dateful.com/convert/utc?t=5pm) Various parts of the conda community gather on a regular basis. This meeting brings together all of these sub-communities for a community wide call. ## Attendees | Name | Initials | Affiliation | GH Username | | ---------------------- | -------- | ----------- | ---------------- | | Bianca Henderson | BH | Anaconda | beeankha | | Cheng H. Lee | CHL | Anaconda/cf | chenghlee | | Leopold Talirz | LT | Microsoft | ltalirz | | Jaime Rodríguez-Guerra | JRG | Quansight | jaimergp | | Daniel Holth | DH | Anaconda | dholth | | Marcel Bargull | MB | Bioconda/cf | mbargull | | Travis Hathaway | TH | Anaconda | travishathaway | | Wolf Vollprecht | WV | prefix.dev | wolfv | | Katherine Kinnaman | KK | Anaconda | kathatherine | | Dave Clements | DPC | Anaconda | tnabtaf | | Katherine Abrikian | KCA | Anaconda | kalawac | | Carl Anderson | CPA | Anaconda | barabo | | Nicholas Tucker | NT | Anaconda | ntucker-anaconda | | John Kirkham | JK | NVIDIA/cf | jakirkham | 14 people in total ## Introductions - [x] Leo, at SciPy, comp material science. Running atomic simulations on Azure. Microarchitectures ## Announcements - [x] (JRG) Open CEP Votes: - [ ] `menuinst` v2: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/8 - [ ] `run_exports.json`: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/51 - [x] (BH) July releases for [conda](https://github.com/conda/conda/issues/12849) and [conda-build](https://github.com/conda/conda-build/issues/4926) are underway! - (JRG) conda-libmamba-solver also joining the release party. ## New Agenda Items - [x] (JK) Anaconda.org metadata updates - [ ] `license_url` not showing up for packages ( https://github.com/conda/infrastructure/discussions/739 ) - [ ] Revisit `recipe_url` idea ( https://github.com/conda/conda-build/pull/2489 ) - [ ] (JRG) Another way available with conda-build 3.26: https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-smithy/pull/1577 - [ ] More options to sort and filter packages (e.g., subdir, build string, etc.) - [ ] The `anaconda copy` command with the `--replace` flag replaces both the metadata and the destination package. - The docs indicate it should only replace the metadata in one spot (https://github.com/Anaconda-Platform/anaconda-client/blob/master/binstar_client/commands/copy.py#L67C5-L67C111) but the error message here (https://github.com/Anaconda-Platform/anaconda-client/blob/master/binstar_client/commands/copy.py#L42) indicates it should overwrite the package too. - We'd like an option to only replace the metadata on the package landing page. - Q: Where should we raise issues like this? (Used to be a catch-all GH repo, but that seems to have been removed.) - KK will discuss the above with Crystal S at Anaconda. - [x] (CHL) Should we create a citation for `conda` itself, a la [conda-forge's Zenodo entry](https://conda-forge.org/docs/user/introduction.html#how-can-i-give-credit-to-conda-forge)? - (DPC) Should we write a conda academic paper? That would be a lot more work. - There are [also SciCrunch IDs](https://scicrunch.org/resources/data/source/nlx_144509-1/search?q=conda&l=conda). - (JRG) Are we talking about conda the tool, the packaging approach, or the ecosystem/community? - (DPC) Will create Zenodo citiation for conda tool itself. Encourage all ecosystem components to do this. - (LT) Zenodo would allow us to create a DOI for each conda version (via GH integration). Major plus. - There is a [Zenodo Github integration](https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/archiving-a-github-repository/referencing-and-citing-content) to pick up on versioning. - [x] (CHL) Should we promote the [CEPs](https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps) and [governance](https://github.com/conda-incubator/governance) repos? - (JRG) We've been holding off because we did not have enough GH license seats - (MB) Let's hold off until the NumFOCUS transition is complete. - Consensus: agree in spirit, but wait until the NumFOCUS transition. - [x] (CHL,LT) Resurrecting [archspec-enabled builds](https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/issues/59) discussion - Came up at SciPy 2023 sprints. Probably too big to discuss here; please comment ("go nuts") in issue thread :smile: - (JRG) figure out how to avoid build string explosion (MB) plugins? think about mamba as well! - (MB,CHL) we should keep `features` (mostly) dead. Probably not the route we want to take to implement this. - (JK) Archspec could be useful for CUDA. Though maybe it would be `gpuspec` or `cudaspec`? There is a case for ARM which NVIDIA also cares about. (CHL) Ideally, we'd generalize it beyond just x86 CPUs. - Let's revisit in two weeks to see how the GH thread has developed to figure out next steps. - [x] (JRG) VSCode is trying to figure out how to do Python package management: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/python-package-management-proposal/, and there's an issue for ideas: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-python/issues/21627 - JRG will follow this and take ownership - (LT) Sarah Kaiser is in close contact VS Code - [x] (TH) 🔌 Let's create a Fetch Plugin hook (collaboration welcome!): - [x] Here's the Epic https://github.com/conda/conda/issues/11821 - [x] We'd like help on reviewing the technical specifications, actual implementation and coming up with ideas for plugins (we already have a few :wink:) - [x] Here's a link to the CEP we've already written: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/44 - [X] (DPC): Comings and goings? - Rachel Asquith (Anaconda): taking over Jesse's role - Carl Anderson (Anaconda): looking at ways to improve (cache and CDN) performance of anaconda.org - Kathereine Abrikian (Anaconda): Internship ends next week! Looking for open positions after that.