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# 2023-06-21 Conda Community Meeting

[Zoom link](https://zoom.us/j/9138593505) · [What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://dateful.com/convert/utc?t=5pm)

Various parts of the conda community gather on a regular basis. This meeting brings together all of these sub-communities for a community wide call.

## Attendees

| Name | Initials | Affiliation | GH Username |
| ---------------------- | -------- | ------------ | ---------------- |
| Bianca Henderson | BH | Anaconda | beeankha |
| Katherine Kinnaman | KK | Anaconda | kathatherine |
| Cheng H. Lee | CHL | Anaconda/cf | chenghlee |
| Ken Odegard | KO | Anaconda | kenodegard |
| Katherine Abrikian | KCA | Anaconda | kalawac |
| Filipe Fernandes | FF | conda-forge | ocefpaf |
| Jesse Wiles | JW | Anaconda | jessewiles |
| Marcel Bargull | MB | Bioconda/cf | mbargull |
| Jaime Rodríguez-Guerra | JRG | Quansight/cf | jaimergp |
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13 people in total

## Introductions

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## Announcements

- [x] (CHL) Still waiting to hear back about SciPy 2023 sprint

## New Agenda Items

- [x] (DPC) [Newsletter](https://github.com/conda-incubator/conda-dot-org/pull/146) is coming!
- Anything missing?
- [x] (JRG) Let's think about [conda-standalone](https://github.com/conda/conda-standalone) :)
- Distribution of conda as a pyinstaller application
- Provides executable that ....
- Problem is that it is maintained separately by a different team and is not up to date with conda.
- This delay is now causing problems
- e.g new metadata format.
- Suggest that we turn on cron jobs to run this regularly (?)
- CF can't do this, due to no way to cross-compile to osx-arm64
- Micromamba is an alternative. Implements the important APIs.
- Currently some difference; e.g., adding short cuts
- Should we abandon standalone?
- CEP is being drafted
- [x] (WV) [Rust port of libsolv](https://github.com/aochagavia/rattler/tree/libsolv-rs)
- Live demo!
- Sidestep into presenting what SAT solvers do. Background knowledge for the whole community
- Wolf: A blog post is coming! Past that he's not committing ...
- [x] (WV) new recipe spec discussion - how should we proceed?
- The new YAML format: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/54
- All the keys & values: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/56
- New tests: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/57
- Voting? Have an implementation, or not?
- Could propose it as a "draft" that will likely be revised while implementing.
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- [x] (KCA) Shell plugins / package activation and deactivation scripts:
- Plugins may use `os.execve`, which would activate the environment in a new shell process.
- As a result, it's possible to just exit the shell instead of deactivating
- This would mean not re-running deactivation/activation scripts.
- Are package activation or deactivation scripts likely to write to file?
- CEP being drafted, 2 PRs available (1 in draft)
- Discussion:
- better to run the scripts
- interest in seeing CEP
- concern: may lose advantages of staying within same shell process for activation; can't deprecate current model
- benefit: simplify mental model of conda; if we start new process, free to do a lot of things we can't do now
- to think about: how can we handle in-script activations with new processes?
- [x] (JRG) Submitted a SDG for `conda/schemas`.
- Small development grant at NumFOCUS.
- Revamp schemas repo to be source of truth.
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