# 2025-06-11 working group meeting

## Attendees

- Andrew Smith
- Youssef Harby
- Michelle Roby
- Matt Fisher (@mfisher87)
- Jarrett Keifer
- Tyler Erickson

## Action items

- [ ] Populate existing resources: https://github.com/cng-education/curriculum/issues/2
- [x] Add user persona to https://github.com/cng-education/curriculum/issues/11
- [x] Add link to this doc from the repo

## Notes

* See GitHub: https://github.com/cng-education
* Issues: https://github.com/cng-education/curriculum/issues
* User types (https://github.com/cng-education/curriculum/issues/11):
* Create a "why" so they want to go down the different paths
* Software background, no GIS experience
* Geography backgrounds, no programming experience -- ArcGIS user
* People who use ArcGIS but hate it? :laughing:
* Mad about "Error 9999" AGAIN?
* Bugs that haven't been fixed for half a decade or more?
* Want more automation?
* Youssef: Engage ArcGIS users where there are, e.g. design notebooks for running in ArcPro.
* Project manager: Needs to engage in strategy discussions with developers and possibly geographers, researchers.
Need conceptual understanding. Why is cloud native important strategically?
Why should they say "yes" to their team?
* Want to understand at the conceptual level
* Farmer who wants to do some analysis on their field:
where are the boulders?
Where are my irrigation lines?
Where are the floodgates?
Not a programmer.
* Map of the landscape as the entrypoint to all of this
* Think "ThoughtWorks tech radar"-ish?
* https://www.earthdatascience.org/courses/ (example)
* Existing resources (https://github.com/cng-education/curriculum/issues/2)
* On targeting ESRI / ArcGIS users?
* Need a license to build and test any tutorials we make
* ESRI is a huge company, they should assign their employees to work on that type of material
* Other ethical concerns with advancing the ESRI machine over open source alternatives
* ArcGIS Notebooks are just Jupyter Notebooks, rebranded; some ESRI users don't know what Jupyter is!

- [Mapping CNG tools](https://github.com/tylere/obsidian-vault-cng)
- https://cloudnativegeo.slack.com/files/U07AM35HJKS/F0913R58J6N/cng-infrastructure-concept.pdf