# DIF All hands - 2022 Open Call
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* To participate - This is an open call, feel free to join and contirubute
* Time: every 4th Wednesday, 5pm CET/ 11am EST / 8am PST.
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<h2 id="meeting-November-9">Meeting - 9th November 2022 - (1100 ET/1700 CET) </h2>

## Agenda

#### Welcome and introductions

* As always, our meetings are recorded and the recordings are publicly available.
- [Previous all-hands meeting recordings](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wgccmMvIImx30qVE9GhRKWWv3vmL2ZyUauuKx3IfRmA/edit#gid=2039757024)
- [All DIF meeting recordings archive](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wgccmMvIImx30qVE9GhRKWWv3vmL2ZyUauuKx3IfRmA/)

- [DIF All-hands public Discord](https://discord.gg/MYVTwkNU3T)

##### **DIF Feedback Call**.
* These open calls are a space to gather feedback from the community and optimize our strategy.
* Held every Wednesday in two alternating timeslots, there's definitely one that fits your timezone! [Check our DIF calendar here](https://bit.ly/dif-calendar)

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* These open calls are for anyone new to DIF.
* How to get started, overview of our work and groups, and how to get the most from your DIF membership.
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<h2 id="groups" align="center"> 🛠️ Group Updates </h2>

### [☂️ InterOp WG (cross-community)](https://identity.foundation/interop/) ###
* **Timing update: now meeting every second week**
- Nov. 16 skipped due to IIW
- Next meeting **November 30, 2022**
- [Overlays Capture Architecture (OCA) v1.0](https://bit.ly/3FhT38G) with Paul Knowles (Human Colossus Foundation)
- Nov. 2 Peter Langenkamp (TNO) presented about a cluster of interoperabilty centered on [TNO EASSI](https://eassi.ssi-lab.nl/).
- "eassi strives to improve the usability of SSI in real life by providing basic functionality that assists in issuing and verifying credentials to and from multiple wallets."
- https://eassi.ssi-lab.nl/docs/about
- [Recording of session here](https://us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/1UDsr5Ixlr8SKfDi037LO5T0l-mqxNIL790Zady1vWkgdYLfJJY-92dqYvwP3xKC.s40U9yk0MSKApiMN)
- Survey insights - [Results Deck here](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lRxa49ZJjrSiWx-4ldLAwWvin5wukenEIXjK5Rj9l24/edit#slide=id.p)
- Find the pockets of interop
- Which companies interop with what other companies; build bridges between the pockets
- Interop testing
- Don't boil the ocean. Start with small targets. Let the question "what are we trying to accomplish with interop?" guide the targets.
- Interested in a public assessment framework.
- Bonnie Yau of IDLab mentioned they're working on a framework, starting from (or modelled after) the Aries Agent Test Harness.
- Approaches to Localization
- BC Gov gave a demo of a localized wallet app with credential localization using OCA. (Link to demo pending)
- What other approaches?
- What does "interoperable" mean to different communities?
- Often gets thrown around in marketing jargon but what are some real metrics for defining whether something is "interoperable?"
- Wallet UX
- There might be some other working groups focused on UX already. There might be some overlap with interop.

### [💡 Identifiers & Discovery](https://identity.foundation/working-groups/identifiers-discovery.html) ###
* Nikos Fotiou presented on the did:self method - [Meeting recording](https://us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/dA1CvIo5V0o2VP5q-wMJOERjVFPhuMUma-kXQRGY77uYa0NL8DPTxATYrjTOjwyB.cIAQ3H1EYGNt04MC)
* [Discussion around the W3c DID Interoperability Test Suite](https://github.com/w3c/did-test-suite/)
* Universal Resolver is better than ever! We have been making behind-the-scenes stability and capacity improvements. [Read more about this interoperability tool on the DIF Blog here](https://blog.identity.foundation/uni-resolver/)

### [💡 DID Authentication WG](https://identity.foundation/working-groups/authentication.html) ###
* This ongoing collaborative work is co-hosted with DIF by the Open Identity Foundation (OIDF) as a work item of the [OpenID Connect WG](https://openid.net/wg/connect/)
* Latest:
* [OpenID for Verifiable presentations ](https://openid.net/specs/openid-4-verifiable-presentations-1_0.html)
* [Self-Issued OpenID Provider v2 (latest update Sept 2022) ](https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-self-issued-v2-1_0.html)

### [🛡️ Claims & Credentials](https://identity.foundation/working-groups/claims-credentials.html) ###
* Next meeting 11 Nov 2022 - (1300 ET)
- TPAC W3C DIDWG+VCWG update
- Pre-IIW Discussion
- Topics of Interest
- https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot11-the-hague/blob/master/draft-documents/verfiable-credentials-holder-binding.md
- https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/929

### [📻 DID Comm](https://identity.foundation/working-groups/did-comm.html)
- Open Wallet DIDComm v2 library contributions?
- light but steady use
- python / jvm languages / rust / swift wrappers
- SICPA
- Repo location? - detirmine later.
- IIW Sessions
- DIDComm KERI (maybe Stephen)
- W3C compatible HL AnonCreds (Stephen)
- DIDComm v2 Intro & Basics (Steve and Sam)
- TOIP Trust Spanning Protocol
- Maybe: DIDComm vs DWN Messages (Interaction vs Data)

* [DIDComm Open User Group: GitHub Link](https://github.com/decentralized-identity/didcomm-usergroup/blob/main/meetings/2022-02-23-transcript.md)
* Meets on Discord: [Invite is here](https://discord.gg/Sdw8swxpDJ)
* Using [UnSync format, described here](https://hackmd.io/@dhh1128/Sk5_Gb2J9) to engage asynchronously in a set time period (typically 4-12 hours) at regular intervals to keep conversation & work moving.
* Discussion of the group writing a DIDComm Guidebook - feedback and contributions welcome! Potentially covering:
* What is DIDComm and why would I use it? (super high level)
* Why developing a protocol on top of DIDComm is a great idea.
* Protocol Design Basics
* Protocol Design Best Practices

### [🌱 Wallet Security WG](https://github.com/decentralized-identity/wallet-security/blob/main/agenda.md)
* **Meetings are now every two weeks, next meeting Tuesday 30th November**
- Upcoming topics
- eIDSAS ARF update (should come out imminently) - what impact this has on wallet vendors
- FIDO activity - updates on work items that come out of this liaison
- DIF & ToIP Trust Registry and Trust Agreements (and DIACC hopefully) groups to combine on specific work items and what this may mean for wallets (and specifically wallet security).
- Open Wallet Foundation Architecture - collating input and activity happening in this group.
- IIW debrief

- Recent Discussions
- Backup and recovery - new methods of combinations of SSS/Threshold Sigs and liveness checks
- Portability (Passkey V2 initiaives)
- multi device registration/recovery (traditional recovery mechanisms)
- eg. [Collaborative Key Management - BlockchainCommons GitHub](https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/Gordian/blob/master/Docs/CKM.md)
- Authentication of the verifier - [OASIS Secure QR Code Authentication 1.0 (ratified)](https://www.oasis-open.org/2022/10/13/secure-qr-code-authentication-standard-approved-by-oasis-open/)

### [📦 Secure Data Storage](https://identity.foundation/working-groups/secure-data-storage.html)
* Discussion
* [User Controlled Authorization Network](https://github.com/ucan-wg/spec/) (UCAN) model and how it contrasts with decentralized approaches
* Value of JWTs?
* CACAOs ([Containers for a chain-agnostic Object Capability (OCAP)](https://github.com/ChainAgnostic/CAIPs/blob/master/CAIPs/caip-74.md))

### [🌱 Applied Crypto WG](https://github.com/decentralized-identity/crypto-wg/blob/main/agenda.md)
- Thursday 6 October 2022 - (3pm ET) Work Item status
- [bbs signatures](https://github.com/decentralized-identity/crypto-wg/blob/main/work_items/bbs_signatures.md)
- [JSON Web Proof](https://github.com/decentralized-identity/crypto-wg/blob/main/work_items/json_web_proof.md): activity is paused at DIF while we work within IETF on establishing a working group. The next step for that is an [interim birds-of-feather meeting](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jwp/meetings/) scheduled for Wednesday, October 12th.
- [revocation_methods_for_verifiable_credentials](https://github.com/decentralized-identity/crypto-wg/blob/main/work_items/revocation_methods_for_verifiable_credentials_.md)
- we now have a strawman of Andrew's method https://identity.foundation/revocation/non-revocation-token/
- new meeting time 8am PST every Tuesday
- would like to bolster more attendance, would another meeting time change help more people attend?
- [Spartan ZKP signatures](https://github.com/decentralized-identity/crypto-wg/blob/main/work_items/spartan_zkSNARK_signatures.md)

### [✈️ Hospitality & Travel](https://www.notion.so/dif/HOSPITALITY-TRAVEL-SIG-242105321e1747f8bce776bf634a55b3)
* Continued discussion around creation of passenger/customer profile for wholistic travel experiences - join the next call to discuss!
* added an [SSI Activity Tracker section to the H&T SIG site](https://www.notion.so/dif/HOSPITALITY-TRAVEL-SIG-242105321e1747f8bce776bf634a55b3#88f37833db754637b3142410c90a92ef). Two trackers listed, additions welcome!

### [🏦 Finance & Banking](https://www.notion.so/dif/Meetings-a243fc1d22e2458b87381ef41b9bffb8)
- [Meeting 38: Financial Privacy & The U.S. Constitution](https://www.notion.so/dif/Meeting-38-Financial-Privacy-The-U-S-Constitution-0886d5b03a79419baaaecff8e772e016)
- Presentation from [Nick Anthony](https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-anthony-042/). Nick is a policy analyst at the [Cato Institute's Center for Monetary and Financial Alternatives](https://www.cato.org/center-monetary-financial-alternatives). During this meeting, Nick will discuss some of the reasons that financial privacy is so lacking in the United States. Among these reasons, Nick will highlight the Bank Secrecy Act, third-party doctrine, and Right to Financial Privacy Act."
- [Meeting 37 - Five Lessons Learned from 3 Years of 'Open Banking'](https://www.notion.so/dif/Meeting-37-Five-Lessons-Learned-from-3-Years-of-Open-Banking-1-4c0aefbbe9ea4bbeba08e9cc39fff735)
- In meeting 37 we will host [David O'Neill](https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidon/) from [APImetrics](https://apimetrics.io/). APImetrics has been monitoring Open Banking APIs since the earliest days of UK Open Banking. Monitoring production endpoints and FAPI consent flows provides a lot of insights about how the Open Banking rollout has evolved. David will provide comprehensive insights into the state of the standard, its adoption, and performance. Topics touched on include:
- UK Open Banking Adoption different from 'World'
- Consequences of Non-Compliance
- Banking data is "yours" in UK and Australia
- "Synthetic Calls" - expand
- Technology Debt (COBOL)
- Sandbox Offer
- [Meeting 36 - Working Meeting "AML Survey"](https://www.notion.so/Meeting-36-Working-Meeting-AML-Survey-acaeb0b0ef9e44fdadc8fe4f72fedf90)
- [Meeting 35 - Decentralized Identifier and the State](https://www.notion.so/Meeting-35-Decentralized-Identifier-and-the-State-4abfe2d2572f4db0b3e33a5103df13b3)
- [Meeting 34 - Public Voter Registries](https://www.notion.so/Meeting-34-Public-Voter-Registries-2142584cef8a421aa1f75d040f270987)
- [Meeting 33 - Beneficial Ownership](https://www.notion.so/Meeting-33-Beneficial-Ownership-7101029317ff441e84b4fde01703aac2)
- [Meeting 30 - Intro New Co-Chair: Lennart Lopin](https://www.notion.so/Meeting-30-Intro-New-Co-Chair-Lennart-Lopin-80f2f4cb52d8496aa11565dca8c20e89)

### 🌏 [APAC/ASEAN Open Call](https://www.notion.so/dif/DIF-Asia-Discussion-Group-85bc823687e745c29ef5084f5e1f5802)
* Our APAC/ASEAN Community Call is a collaborative initative between DIF and the [Trust over IP Foundation](https://www.trustoverip.org/) (ToIP).
* We invite to you to attend the **next meeting Thurs Nov. 24th at 9am CET / 3pm SGT**. See [DIF Calendar here for meeting details](https://bit.ly/dif-calendar)
* Last meeting October 27th:
- ToIP Task Force updates
- Governance Architecture task force
- SSI Harms Paper
- Technical Architecture work
- AI Task Force

### 🌍 [Africa Open Call](https://www.notion.so/dif/DIF-Africa-Discussion-Group-a0309cb4a1d4461085683744d2955973)
* Join us on the next call 1st December 2022*
* [Nigerian Minister of Communications and Digital Economy, Professor Isa Ali Ibrahim (Pantami) wins Dubai World Trade Centre Award](https://concise.ng/pantami-bags-dubai-world-trade-centre-award/)

### [💼 Product Managers](https://lists.identity.foundation/g/productmanagers)
- **Thursday Nov 10th at 11am ET (8am PST, 5pm CET)** we will be joined by Juan Caballero who is the Standards Coordinator at Centre Consortium to discuss Web3 and Verite solutions

### [Internet Identity Workshop 35](https://internetidentityworkshop.com/) - November 15-17th 2022
* DIF is going to next week's Internet Identity Workshop in Mountain View, California!
* We would love to invite you to join us in-person for a drink and a catchup on the evening of Monday 14th November! [Click here to register and for more details on this free in-person event.](https://bit.ly/3fgeBb8)
* We look forward to seeing you next week at the Computer History Museum, make sure you come and say hi!

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