SCIWG Meeting 7-22-23

- Attendance - bumblefudge - James (https://jamesg.blog) - Tantek Çelik (https://tantek.com/) - Ben Savage (Meta) - Evan Prodromou - David Somers (https://omz13.com) - Bob Wyman - Manton Reece (https://manton.org) - Angelo Gladding (https://ragt.ag) - Topics - Introduction of meeting - agenda [here](https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/next-swicg-call-scheduling/3388/3?u=by_caballero) and [here]() - TPAC - Going: Evan, Tantek, Ben, and Juan (99% sure of visa) - possible Threads<>Webtech session at TPAC? - Remote interest? - Triaging of issues (newer issues first) - Discussion of CG outputs versus other modes of working - bob: but what's the pressing need? what needs updating? - bumble and manton: migration topic! - Account Migration - Manton has a blog post - https://www.manton.org/2022/12/02/moving-from-mastodon.html - There is no spec - Implementing it requires investigating what does Mastodon do - Features to specification - evan: Threads topics not covered by AP spec like limiting replies - ben: UX/capability parity with Insta is a driving design goal; that's easy intra-Threads, but figuring out how that works across federation is more difficult... - Chairs - evan: nightpool and aaronpk have said they don't have sufficient bandwidth/time - evan: one chair is ok, however more is better, for timezones, to help as a backup for meetings - Tantek: Encourages a bias toward implementors in a chair role -- should be actively working with specs, keeps the group grounded - tantek: process for volunteering? - evan: email to the list, James sent an email - james: has experience with some IndieWeb specs (WebSub, IndieAuth, jf2) - evan: have you talked to aaron about chairing? - james: yes, aaron has noted his inability to keep up with the time commitments for the group. - james: my prior experience does not include CG chairing, looking for mentorship from a previous chair - evan: have you talked to dmitri? - james: yes, aaron has been talking with dmitri, haven't heard back in a few weeks - evan: if you had the help of tantek and dmitri in getting started, the processes aren't overwhelming, and it would be great to have another hand - evan: is there anything else that we would need? - evan: would love to have a third person in that role too (chair) - tantek: agreed, a third would be good - juan: might be able to chair, but not sure about time commitment, may know more in the next month - juan: haven't run a CG before, have been active in another CG for a year - evan: better to have more candidates for chairs than fewer! - Issue review - Final 15 minutes dedicated to issue review - Weekly triage for issue queues - Presently reviewing https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Needs+Group+Input%2FDecision%22 - Discussion on Issue #440: https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/issues/440 - Implementer feedback on issues - Evan: Implementers, please see issue with this label: https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Needs+Group+Input%2FDecision%22 - ActivityStreams and ActivityPub triage process - Evan: what do people think about how this is going? - Tantek: grateful for all this work! - Comment from Bob in chat: Also, folk should be watching the additions to the WIki Primer which is a side effect of the triage process: https://www.w3.org/wiki/ActivityPub/Primer and ActivityStreams primer: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Primer - Use of GitHub - Presentation on GitHub process by Evan - Test suite - Ben: where is it, how do I participate? - Evan: we have two test suites. - ActivityPub has server-to-server protocol and client-to-server interface - There are two projects working to automated test processing both with the Mastodon API and the ActivityPub API - We should get to a point in the next month or two where we have a process for driving a test server and saying the server can be tested against Mastodon, etc. - Current state is manual testing -- we want to have a test suite. - This has led to a lot of trial and error, skipping over tests if they seem too hard - We want automated testing to happen soon - Ben: interested in sub-group meetings for test suites - Evan: should be major part of agenda for next meeting - Ben: would like to discuss regularly - Meeting time - Q: from James: - Can I propose we move the meeting time back to allow for easier participation of people on the West Coast? - Can we also choose a note-taking tool that does not require authentication? (i.e. Etherpad) - Action Items - ben: document list of features that Meta would be interested in supporting with ActivityPub (e.g. limiting replies) -