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- **Location:** ~~https://utexas.zoom.us/my/kimray~~ https://mchealth.zoom.us/j/98822505739?pwd=kSogOnwrFy21gXZWY2w0Qg41Tt1Tdc.1
- **Date:** Thursday, December 12th at 11 am PT / 7 pm CEST
- **Participants:**
- Yaroslav Halchenko
- Dora Hermes
- Kim Ray
- Ross Blair
- Camille Maumet
- **Agenda**

1. Item1 `1min`
> [name=]
2. NSF POSE proposal? `10min`
> [name=suggested Yarik (Kim added in case)]

4. Maintainers Updates
> [name= suggested by maintainers]
- Spring Maintainer Meeting in Europe? Copenhagen again? OpenNeuro/NiPreps/BIDS?
- Would be good to alternate between major parts of the world
- Maintainers camp (vs BEP camp) – House cleaning camp?
- BEP021
- BEP036
- Docs
- fixing bids apps – maintenance
- BEP camp - navigating who gets invited

- **Host:** Kim Ray
- **Contact:** <[e-mail]>

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:books: Meeting Minutes
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**NSF POSE proposal?**

- scraped:
- POSE is more about not as well established projects -- in Yarik's opinion would have been too hard to sell for phase I. For phase II (with I) as well unclear if would fit ok
- more feasible replacement (June 04, 2025): NIH https://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-OD-24-010.html . "Building Sustainable Software Tools for Open Science (R03 Clinical Trial Not Allowed)" Candidate development target/topic/theme:
- "Tooling/support for BIDS Plugins" https://github.com/bids-standard/bids-2-devel/issues/74

Deadline: June 04, 2025

- what should this proposal cover?
- extensions but not in the sense of BEP
- establishing common principle standards and wrapping this around tools
- pyBIDS?
- CM: suggest to not call this a BIDS extension, its too confusing with BEPs (possible rename to 'plugins'). Happy to be in the loop. Also suggest to reach out to maintainers.
- KR: Link with Bridge, identifying gaps into the standard. May be able to propose things in the coming months.

**BIDS prov [BEP 28]**
- BEP is being revived/revisioned
- CM & YH will meet to discuss comments.
- discussion halted about a year ago: https://github.com/bids-standard/BEP028_BIDSprov/issues/125
- spec: https://bids.neuroimaging.io/bep028
- a few ongoing issues: https://github.com/bids-standard/BEP028_BIDSprov/issues/148 https://github.com/bids-standard/BEP028_BIDSprov/issues/151 (and more at https://github.com/bids-standard/BEP028_BIDSprov/issues/)
-DH: there are more researchers using prepocessed or aggregrated (e.g. average, derivatives) data , thus BIDS-Prov will have high value. this is likely due to a growth of users accessing shared data (secondary data analysis)

-Can BIDS-prov support mulitple analysis pipelines of the same dataset?
-comparing workflows is an open problem, BIDS-prov might be a first step in BIDS being able to do this.
-W3C Prov comes in many ways and has many uses, something for the BEP authors to discuss (tooling language vs human language).
-CM: there needs to be some flexibilty to adapt to differences in user needs
-YH: table discussion for 2025 :+1:
-YH: relevant publication https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41019-020-00118-0

**Maintainers Updates**

- Location of maintainers meeting: suggests for it to be in EU so that its not only in the USA
- Meeting Agenda: What should be addressed? (BEPs, other?)
- Meeting Length: 2 days was too short, **3 days** may be better
- CM: is all the BIDS funding in USA?
- YH: majority is in US, Cyril might have some.
- Suggested location/venue: France, INRIA maybe (Camille can support, venue would be gratis), Copenhagen is another option.
- RB: if EU doesnt work out, we can still fall back on Seattle or other US location.
- Workshop Focus:
- YH: BEPS, BIDS2.0, maybe a grant proposal (Ross please share the grnt call with other maintainers)

**BIDS email**
[e-mail] is the new email for BIDS steering group.

:closed_book: Tasks
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==Importance== (1 - 5) / Name
### Steering Group:
- [ ] ==1== BEP28 - CM and YH will find a time to meet
- [ ] ==1== Is there availability at Inria for maintainers meeting? / CM
- [ ] ==1== Kim will see if Mathew Abrams can join next meeting (Jan 16th)

### Maintainers:
- [ ] ==1== Check on Maintainers meeting location, is Inria okay? /
- [ ] ==1== item /