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title: September 19th 2024
tags: [steering]

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Meeting Minute
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###### tags: `Templates` `Meeting`

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- **Location:**   https://utexas.zoom.us/my/kimray 
- **Date:** Thursday, Sept 19th at 11 am PT / 8 pm CEST
- **Participants:**
    - Kim Ray
    - Ariel Rokem
    - Yaroslav Halchenko 
    - Dora Hermes
    - Camille Maumet
    - Remi Gau
    - Guest: Chris Holdgraf
- **Agenda**

1. Chris Holdgraf, Guest `45min`
	> [name=suggested by Ariel Rokem]
	> To move ahead with discussions we started about BIDS governance structure (i.e., foundation, non-profit, 501(c)3, etc.), I've asked Chris Holdgraf to come and chat with us at an upcoming meeting. Chris directs [2i2c](https://2i2c.org/), and has a unique perspective on these issues. He's also a BIDS contributor, having worked extensively on the iEEG BEP and related. 


2. BIDS News Blog Post `5min`
    > [name=suggested by Eric Earl]
    > Please add any news items for a blog post Eric is drafting to push around the INCF Assembly conference next week [here](https://hackmd.io/H_i9tEptQCqRakxk-sha8Q?both#BIDS-news-blog-post-blurbs-request)

3. Elections:
    - Lack of diversity in our current list of candidates 
    - Should we delay the electiona bit and try to get candidates from other regions?
        - short answer: let's delay by 2 weeks
    - Working group on Governance: should we expect amendments to incorporate in the election?
        - short answer: No

5. BIDS organizational priorities (continued discussion) `10min`
    > [name=suggested by Eric Earl]
    > What are the BIDS priorities and where should they be?
        > - developing standards and sites
        > - maintaining standards and sites
        > - internal support (things we need)
        > - external support (helping others)
        > - outreach (recruiting new BIDS users/contributors/maintainers/steering group members, keeping old users and contributors)
        > - growth (trying to improve adoption through self-promotion, appearance, marketing, etc.)
- **Host:** Kim Ray
- **Contact:**  <kimray@utexas.edu>


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:books: Meeting Minutes
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**BIDS Blog post**
- add your comments to the link
- [link](https://hackmd.io/H_i9tEptQCqRakxk-sha8Q?both#BIDS-news-blog-post-blurbs-request)

**BIDS Governance working Group**
- Will ammendments be ready for the elections for the next Steering Group Member? 
    - unfortunately not all; code of conduct will be ready, but governance will not be ready. 

**BIDS Elections**
- 4 candidates, but lack of diversity
- should the election be delayed to encourage more diversity. Election date around early November. 
    - yes we will delay 2 weeks
- this is somewhat reflective of the BIDS community (unfortunately)
- Possible Suggestions: 
    - ******
    - ******

**Guest: Chris Holdgraf,2i2c **
Context:  BIDS is growing and needs greater governance models and sustainability suport. 
Why & How did 2i2c how about and move in the direction of a legal entitiy? 
Indivduals and stakeholder entitites needed more FTE time to suport growth as opposed to supporting maintenance


2i2c is an "engine" that has full-time employees that can serve both the open-source community, as well as the research and education use-cases of jupyter. 
There was a clear value in staffing specific roles that was not allocated otherwise.

Q: What was the funding model that worked best for 2i2c? 
A: Their funding comes froma small number of large scale contracts, they use jupyiter hub as a base unit for funding.

University beuracracy was not an ideal route for funding services or individuals


"Fiscal sponsors": cost/benefit tradeoffs. On the expensive side, we might be looking at 15% overhead and would provide a high degree of "service" for this. 
can expect contracts administered on time by these entities. 
There will still be a governance and execution problem unless they identifiy an 'executive office' (executive director) to make the decisions for BIDS, ensure progress and direction. 

AR: membership fees could be a possibly source of funds, funds could also come from grants. There is a set of governing bodies (steering group and maintainers).

What would be the labor to boostrap/kickstart the engine to move any funding model (membership/ service/ grant) foward?  
AR: What goes into creating a non-profit?
CH: 2i2c is a nonprofit but has a fiscal sponsor, this did not requre them to go through the legal process. The fiscal sponsor is the 501c3 non-profit organization, and they provide the services to 2i2c. They set up a contract based service relationship outlining the expectations for the organizaiton and for the fiscal sponsor. 


Code for science and society (2i2c's fiscal sponsor): https://www.codeforsociety.org/


Who drew up the contracts?  2i2c likely used a standard fiscal sponsorship contract.  This included stating the organization mission and intention.
it comes down to if there are rules that need to exist that are dedicated to the BIDS community? someties bringing financial relationships into the mix can hurt the larger community. This may or may not be true for BIDS, but something to consider.

AR: Project management is an important role BIDS needs to fill
CH: agreed, and product management could also be a valuable role or need for BIDS. Community management can also help facilitate the flow of information across people and groups. 
2i2c has community guides/enablers, they are bridges between open source communites and engineers within 2i2c. Enabling roles like this can be really important to support end users.
CH would be willing to share job descriptions.


ROpensci is also an interesting organization to look into / talk to: https://ropensci.org/

2i2c is based in the US but it does not limit their ability to employ people in other countries. The operations will be location specific, so  where to focus the 'home-base' should carefully considered. 



:closed_book: Tasks
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==Importance== (1 - 5) / Name 
### Steering Group:
- [ ] ==4== Item / Person 
  - [ ] ==2== Subitem


### Maintainers:
- [ ] ==3== Item / Person 


