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Episode 4 of Slow Portals
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**Hello and welcome guests of the show!**

This doc has a quick walkthrough of the show notes, helpful links and a question bank of potential questions to ask on air.

Please feel free to make notes, ask Q's or correct anything you see.

Looking forward to our chat. 


**Main thread:** Nomination of Jackie Singh - A look into her body of work, what formed her opinions, and how she approaches issues that concern her  
**URL:** (insert twitter space URL)
**Date:** Tuesday, Feb. 6th @ 1100 Eastern Time
**Length:** 45 mins w/15 min overflow period

**Conversation Flow:**

- **Welcome and Intros** [2 min]

Hi and welcome. This is episode 4 of Slow Portals We've gone through a couple of rapid experiments to get to this place, but this feels like the right home for these discussions.

- **Overview of the Namada rPGF program** [2 min]
So, why are we all here? These  discussions  have grown out of the Namada discord around an exhange of ideas such as how we think of privacy in our small corner of the internet, and what values the Namada community espouses. Y'know the Namada protocol is geared to kind of retrofit some privacy features onto other existing blockchains. Which is great at a protocol level, but what we've been discussing in the community is what kind of privacy narratives might these features enable, and how might it change how people actually think about their own right to privacy?  


So Namada has a retroactive funding program as part of it's genesis targeted at rewarding public goods impact. The program allowed anyone to nominate individuals or organizations they wanted to cast a light on. And at genesis 20% of NAM tokens are to be distributed to all types of contributors, coders, technologists, policy initiaters, etc who have been highlighted through this program, among others.  

- Reminder of the purpose of these rPGF Exploration calls [2 min]”

Today we are being joined by some wonderful voices. We are lucky that Matthew highlighted the writing and past work of Jackie. She has made a substantial contribution to not just infosecurity and cybersecurity, but also how her voice has helped to advance the ethos of privacy and new social norms around interactions in our rapidly changing online environments.

Jackie Intro:
Jackie's twitter is always a new tangent, sometimes a volatile place, but I think it reflects some of the volotility of our public space atm. I enjoy listening to her. I'm glad she's joining us. 

Matthew Intro:
Matthew's firm seeks out ways to faciliate an environmentally concious approach to bringing real-world assets onchain. Did I get that right?

**Key Points about Jackie:**

- her work deals alot with the ugly, hateful, vindictive and disparaging side of interactions that we often ignore, or only understand the impact of once we're on the recieveing end

**Their Sites:**

https://www.hackingbutlegal.com/, https://twitter.com/HackingButLegal, https://www.stopspying.org/jackiesingh-bio, https://www.linkedin.com/in/hackingbutlegal/

**Link to the nomination:**

https://forum.namada.net/t/batched-list-of-nominations-for-digital-privacy-contributions/42/24

**Key Points about Matthew 

**Site:**

https://cerulean.vc/

They invest in open source software companies and networks building enabling technologies to scale climate impact in this decade.


**Possible Questions for Jackie and Matt:**
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**Background:**

**- What turned your attention to Web3?**

- I've seen it that you "grew up" on hacker forums - can you tell us about that?


**- What did your time in the military open your eyes to?**


- How do you think of privacy as it realtes to our sovereign ability to act online as we want?

In Web2 privacy was taken on by centralized actors. Password managers for users, and cybersecurity monoliths protectd by IT proffesionals. Now Web3 has promised that we can move to a "trustless" model, where your privacy is guaranteed by auditable code. However, we're not there yet, and in the meantime it seems like the **mantra** has turned largely to the idea that we are responsible for our own privacy. 


You've mentioned that you think the goal of mis/disinformation campaigns is largely to **erode social trust**. Trust in institutions, government and between each other.
- Where do you think building trustless systems that Web3 is focused on and learning to relying on those comes into play here? 

(**for reference** - *At its heart, a trustless system allows participants to reach a consensus on a single truth without needing to trust each other or an overarching authority. Instead of placing trust in one central body, trust shifts to code, algorithms, and well-designed economic incentives.*)

**Q's on Jackie's Work:**

- Can you explain SAAPP for us?
- What do you think about interacting with software coming out of China, such as things from Tencent or TikTok?
- you paint a pretty horrific picture of online harrassment - do you think the **appropriate response** lies in protocol design, moderation, or social/educational adapation? (i.e. i'm imagining a classroom with a bunch of teenagers, like the driver's ed approach of showing car-crash videos, where an instructor shows kids hateful posts that re-surfaced in someone's life 10 years later and ruined their lives)

- you've noted that **community status** and reputation are among the big reasons why online trolls, harrassers do what they do. Do you have thoughts on identity solutions, or reputation that would allow you ppl to move their cred from one platform to another?
    - before I've only thought of the positives of this, but there are clearly downsides now that i think about it
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- you've mentioned that you think **de-platforming** the (1-3% of) people who have personality problems and are the most active hateful content creators might work. 
    - Do you think current hate speech laws are insufficient?
    - What would you do differently?


I feel ill-equipped to sift through information coming in on my various feeds, some curated, some more open. But I question almost eveything that comes across my screen now, unless it's from a very highly trusted source. And even then I wonder what their source is. 
    - do you think the average person is ill-equppied to verify what is good info, bad info, mis info - and how would you train up a team of newbs to be information scouts?
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**General:**


- What moves the needle for you? What’s a win? what are you looking for?
 
- You asked Congressman George Santos whether he thought ppl in congress are underpaid. And it sounded as part of a theme that maybe you think public servants aren't paid enough to incentivize good people into those positions. Do you feel that way, and if so, how come?

- What are digital black holes?

- Who are you writing for when you write your blog?

- Do you have any advice for communities starting out ( like Namada) and what’s important to focus on in the early days?
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**Questions from Matt:**
- Give Matt space for a couple of questions.  