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## Proposals

### AMS


Questions to ask:

#### PRICE
* What price would they sell at? Negotiable?
	we all have little control over the price (business people do it)
	book program loses money, they want to stop that
	avoid color (twice as much!) 
	printing cost: 1 1/4 cent per page, 2 1/2 cent per page in color ($5 extra)
	600 page: ~ $120
	300 page: ~ $70
* Discount for students? For developing countries? Convenios?
	member discount 25% (40% in meetings)
	Steve will find out?
* Open Access version?
	yes, “open math notes” is a possibility
	post it online for free ourselves? negotiate this! 2 years from now you can post it.
	authors can post chapters on their website before editing
* black/white vs color


#### COMPENSATION
* How are their royalties structured? Editors? Authors? (Logistics?)
	15% of net — actual purchase price that people pay
	print or e-
	may sell 600-800 copies? 
* Who gets copies of the book? 
	chapter authors get a single (print or electronic)
	editor authors get ~10


##### TIMING
* How long does it take?
	to get approved, he will ask combinatorialists to read more carefully
	will take a few months
	
* Upload files
	tech wizards check that everything interacts well
	production editor: meticulous fussy people
	make a galley, send it to us
	graphics step — 
		design a cover, we can do it, together with their artists 
		not gonna tell you what goes on the cover
		they can help, it’s reflected on the cost
	6 months

* When is the contract signed?
	He goes in a room with AMS people and sell them the book.
	Testimonials from mathematicians. 
	They want to publish.
	Maybe a couple of months from now.
	We send 150 pages, he gets 2 referee reports.

		

#### PRODUCTION + PUBLISHING PROCESS
* How much are they involved in the typing up?
* Technical team
* Drawings?


* They have agreements with distributors all over the world.
	someone else does it, they don’t know how to distribute in South Am, etc.



#### COPYRIGHTS
* English
	We can keep it. (If pirated, they’ll chase them.)
* Spanish
	We can keep it.
* other translation rights?
	can keep or give to them?
	(If someone wants to translate, they negotiate.)
* Version on our website
* future ECCOs


#### COVER
— our own design

NO RACISM PLEASE

REFEREE REPORTS

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NOTES ON THE CONVERSATION

Steve would like to see the spirit recreated
— sense of collaboration
— including everyone
— 
How to accomplish this?
Annotated reading list, further readings.
Place to find open problems.


2 Volumes?
600 pages are a problem for production
price is hard to be affordable
How to split into two? Topically? Chronologically?

Connective tissue
How are these related? 

Include the spirit!
reproduce texts? blogs, articles




Amend book proposal: 
— What do we plan to add?
— a few more chapters







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ALEJO Y CARO:

Monica no salió con nada.
Que cosas queremos hablar?







### Springer



SPRINGER CONVERSATION:

Questions to ask:

PRICE
— What price would they sell at? Negotiable?

— Discount for students? For developing countries? Convenios?

— Open Access version?

— black/white vs color


COMPENSATION
— How are their royalties structured? Editors? Authors? (Logistics?)

— Who gets copies of the book? 


TIMING
— How long does it take?

— Upload files

— When is the contract signed?


		

PRODUCTION + PUBLISHING PROCESS
— How much are they involved in the typing up?

— Technical team

— Drawings?

— Distribution worldwide?



COPYRIGHTS
— English

— Spanish

— other translation rights?

— Version on our website

— future ECCOs


COVER
— our own design



REFEREE REPORTS

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NOTES ON THE CONVERSATION



Editorial 

How does this fit into Springer portfolio?






Open Access

Online: advertised as free, for real
Will show up in all libraries for free automatically, even if they don’t have the physical book
	question: which libraries? Loretta thinks she has a list

How do the costs get paid? 
Book processing charge - covers the costs
Print books pay for themselves

Would we receive royalties?

Tricky:
  Will use Creative Commons License to preapprove use
  Declaration in advance of what people will do — says what people can do with it.
	CCBY - open for anything, reselling, etc (Spanish publisher wouldn’t want that)
	“No Commercial” Restriction - anything but reselling
	“No Derivatives” - don’t switch or rearrange, no translating 


Sometimes books have some chapters open access, some not.
Whole book open access — one fee
The cost (because of the length) is $18.500.  The number is negotiable.
Would need to contact each university library, and libraries are often eager to do this according to Loretta, but they would probably be most responsive to the chapter authors.



US price:  
For textbooks they’re seeing higher demand for buying.
If we get paid royalties, they would go to editors. The price of the book then goes up.
$59.99.
With royalty: $89.99

LatAm prices?



Ojo: 
OA vs OER
OER tends to demand being more open on creative commons license.




No Open Access

Will get royalties.

Price will be $89.99.

total royalty $1250  — negotiable



Distribution

electronically: big group of universities in Colombia got a subscription to Springer
once a library pays, it’s permanent
(throughout Americas)
Robinson (Sao Paulo)

print: shipping is free
prices can be a bit reduced for developing countries, not much
MyCopy: can buy it if library has subscription ($24.99) - not available in LatAm


General

Wouldn’t split the book unless we get to ~900 pages. That’s cheaper for the reader.

Can we design our own cover? 
  If GTM, no.
  Line drawing is the most they can do.


How many copies would it sell?
  If not open access, in GTM, she thinks 1000 copies in first year 
	(This is high!)
	If it gets used regularly as GTM, 400 copies/year after that
  If open access, she would hope 500 in first year


Production time:
	~5 months


Colored pictures are fine.
A nice color picture in front page of book.

Pictures
They can reproduce simple pictures no problem, no cost.
3D is harder, find someone we know to draw them, Springer could pay. 

Timing of contract
She has all approvals to offer us a contract.
Unknowns:
  creative common
  print royalties or no
  find out our budget for OA and then negotiate before contract

Question to ask Spanish language publisher
	Do they need exclusive rights?
	If so, need “no derivatives” license.

Loretta can ask who Spanish publisher might be.



Editorial Side

Book has been looked at in a preliminary way

They are very interested in seeing it in GTM.

Unusual for an edited book to be in GTM. Extra work for editors:
  —  make sure the book is consistent in terminology, notation 
	this can get students to get stuck
  — connections to other topics
	help students see the connections
  — 
This is work. If we don’t want to do that, that’s ok, but it wouldn’t be in GTM.

So the GTM decision would come at the end.

Edited Volume: 
  we will get the chapters reviewed
  they won’t get peer reviewers automatically, but they’re happy to get reviewers on the whole book if we like.




Springer tends to be quicker than others, don’t feel there is a rush to decide. Always welcome to negotiate, especially with finances they can be flexible. Ask them to match.
She’s not gonna be pushy. It’s never urgent.















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