# Agenda & Minutues for the 8 September 2025 17:00 ADT CG Meeting

## Dial in details

*Zoom*: https://zoom.us/j/95320945677?pwd=aMBNHYCSujHC1MW6z1V1CjbMfKwE27.1

*When*: Every second Monday from 17:00 to 18:00(Eastern Australia Time - Sydney)

*Location*: Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/95320945677?pwd=aMBNHYCSujHC1MW6z1V1CjbMfKwE27.1

*Chair*: Brad Carr

*Minutes*:

## Attendees

1. Brad Carr
1. Dave Hyland
1. Olaf Grewe
1. Derek Munneke
1. Gareth Narinesingh
1. Jo Spencer
1. John Scullen
1. Miki Brotzler
1. Stefan Charsley
1. Dima Postnikov
1. Jan Vereecken
1. Michael Fraser
1. Adam Bradley
1. Jacob Oberman

## Agenda

1. **The meeting will be recorded for note taking purposes only.**

2. **Antitrust Reminder**: Note latest Refresh of the rules https://openid.net/policies/
DIMA to provide an overview of the Note Well
https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/OIDF_Groups-Activities-Events-Note-Well_Final_2025-06-12.pdf

2. **ADT CG Charter**

3. **Administration**
- **Participation Agreements**: Reminder to sign the participation agreement if you wish to have your comments and contributions recorded.
- **Access to Slack**: Reminder to join the Slack channel for ongoing discussions and updates. You will need to sign the participation agreement to contribute IPR to the Slack channel.
- **Access to the Mailing List**: See the signup link in the Readme.md file.

4. **Introductions** - new attendees.

5. **General Discussion**

- Productivity Report Updates from Olaf
- Any access to help edit the report may be done through Requesting Edit Access.
- Link here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PxZ3jJwQ6CX-PyV5uTyxoO8zXf2LlkfATIOFhKpWTJQ/edit?tab=t.0
- Group raised no objection to the content presented and the submission of the response on behald of the Community Group.

**ADT Roundtable**
We’re delighted to invite you to an exclusive Roundtable discussion with Tony Allen, Chief Executive of the Age Check Certification Scheme, and Project Director of the Age Assurance Technology Trial.

We are convening this Roundtable as ADT’s inaugural Community Event, ‘Identity and Assurance: Age & Beyond’. This roundtable will be on **Thursday 18 September at 9:30am**, generously hosted by our friends at Australia Payments Plus, at their offices at **255 George St, Sydney**. With the recent publication of the Age Assurance Technology Trial report (link: https://ageassurance.com.au/report/ ), this represents a timely and topical opportunity to advance the discussions from our Age Assurance workstream.

Please RSVP at: https://forms.office.com/r/T1NHYPdyvh

**Previous Actions**

* Sushmita to share the presentations from the UNSW digital credentials workshop with the community. **OPEN**
* Sushmita to share the research report on AGDIS with the community once completed. **OPEN**
* Victoria to provide an update on the Digital Identity New Zealand event in a couple of weeks. **OPEN**

6. **Local Events**: [see below](#Local-Events)

7. **Previous Actions**: [see below](#Actions)

8. **Subgroup Updates**: [see below](#Subgroups)

9. **AOB**

Discussion forming a reponse on productivity commission
https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/current/data-digital/interim

## Local Events

Please insert chronologically ordered:

### Event Name, Location, Date

| Title | Event Name |
|----------|---|
| Location | Someplace, STATE |
| Date | 2025-01-01 |
| Link | https://example.net |

This is a template entry. Copy and paste for own events. Please insert chronologically.

### IDPro September, Brisbane, 9 Sep

IBM Offices - Queen Street, Brisbane.

{%preview https://www.trybooking.com/DDBPH %}

### Digital Identity Week, Sydney, 9-10 Sep

9-10 September, 2025

Swissôtel Sydney

{%preview https://www.cshub.com/events-digitalidentityandsecurity %}

### ID Match, Sydney, 16-17 Sep

IVS Forum 2025

16 & 17 September 2025

{%preview https://www.ticketebo.com.au/idmatch/ivs-forum-2025/index/r/10 %}

### Identity Access Management, Melbourne, 18 Sep

18 September, 2025

{%preview https://www.clutchevents.co/events/melbourne-identity-authentication-access-management-summit-2025 %}

### ADT Community Event: Age & Beyond, Sydney NSW, 18 Sep

| Title | ADT Community Event: Age & Beyond |
|----------|---|
| Location | Australia Payments Plus, 255 George St, Sydney |
| Date | 2025-09-18 |
| Link | RSVP https://forms.office.com/r/T1NHYPdyvh |

### Biometrics Intitute Showcase Australia, Canberra & Online, 26 Nov

{%preview https://www.biometricsinstitute.org/event/showcase-australia-2025/ %}

26 November, 2025.

Hotel Realm, Canberra

### Innovation Day - Identity Through Life, Sydney, TBD

~~Focus on age assurance, estate planning, delegation and end of life.~~
Replaced by _"ADT Community Event"_ on 18 Sep

## General updates

### OIDF Polls

#### Vote to Approve OpenID for Verifiable Credential Issuance 1.0 Final Specification

**Link**:
https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/376

**Description**:
The Digital Credentials Protocols (DCP) working group recommends approval of the following specification as an OpenID Final Specification:

- OpenID for Verifiable Credential Issuance 1.0: https://openid.net/specs/openid-4-verifiable-credential-issuance-1_0-17.html

A Final Specification provides intellectual property protections to implementers of the specification and is not subject to further revision.

The DCP working group page: https://openid.net/wg/digital-credentials-protocols/.

## Meeting Minutes

The meeting began with casual conversation about time zones and scheduling before transitioning to a discussion of the Productivity Commission report, where Olaf presented a draft submission focusing on competition, data privacy, and cross-border data flows. The team reviewed key themes from the report, including data minimization principles and consent-based sharing, while discussing challenges around the right to be forgotten and data sharing. The conversation ended with updates on upcoming events, including a roundtable discussion in Sydney and various identity and security conferences, along with plans for future Innovation Day activities.

**Productivity Commission Report Discussion**
The meeting began with Brad outlining the agenda, which included discussing the Productivity Commission report and other business matters. He reminded attendees about logistics such as signing participation agreements, using Slack, and updating the HackMD page with their names. Olaf then presented a draft submission for the Productivity Commission report, which he shared in Slack. He explained that the submission includes an introduction about the organization and highlights consensus positions from community groups, along with an attempt to articulate the productivity impact of each topic.

**Enhancing Competition and Data Privacy**
Olaf presented key themes from the Productivity Commission report, emphasizing the importance of enabling competition on service quality and price to deliver increased benefits for consumers and businesses. He highlighted the need for data minimization principles and consent-based sharing to address cybersecurity concerns and reduce consent fatigue. Olaf also discussed the challenges of cross-border data privacy, arguing that Australia's privacy regime should align with global standards like GDPR to facilitate cross-border data flows essential for the country's economy.

**Data Sharing and Privacy Challenges**
Olaf discussed the challenges of addressing data sharing and the "right to be forgotten" in their submission, expressing a need for additional support and input on these topics. Jo noted the importance of collaborating on sharing Australian information overseas and requested edit access to the document, which Olaf agreed to provide if needed. Both agreed to continue reviewing and refining the submission, with Olaf inviting further comments and input from others.

**Data Privacy and Provenance Discussion**
The group discussed the recommendation not to implement the right to be forgotten, acknowledging productivity benefits but emphasizing the importance of privacy and data minimization. They highlighted the need for clear guidance from regulators on appropriate data collection for KYC processes. Olaf presented his work on data provenance and role definitions, emphasizing the importance of accurate data for innovation and the need to clarify obligations to avoid duplicate efforts and externalized costs. The team agreed that their interim report was progressing well, with some areas still requiring elaboration, particularly around privacy aspects.

**Submission Deadline and Access Updates**
The team confirmed the submission deadline for Monday the 15th and agreed to proceed with the current submission direction, which received unanimous support from the group. Olaf granted access to those who requested it and asked Adam to use Google to help disambiguate email addresses. The conversation ended with Olaf needing to change locations, and the team agreed to reconvene shortly thereafter.

**Age Assurance Roundtable Planning Meeting**
The team discussed plans for an upcoming roundtable event on Thursday, May 18th in Sydney, hosted by Australia Payments Plus, featuring Tony Allen from the Age Assurance Technology Trial. The event will begin at 9:30 AM and include opening remarks from Tony followed by a Q&A session, with participants including ConnectID and other trial participants. Brad emphasized the importance of discussing both immediate concerns about age verification and future possibilities, referencing Victoria and David Birch's concept of protecting children in online spaces. Joe inquired about remote access options, which Brad will confirm later in the week, and mentioned a separate Melbourne event focused on insights and opportunities.

**Identity Events and Innovation Planning**
The group discussed upcoming events, including a roundtable with Tony in Melbourne on the 19th and various identity and security conferences across Australia and internationally. Brad mentioned plans for a broader Innovation Day event in November or early December, focusing on identity through the lifecycle. Dave reminded the group about an open OADIF poll for those interested in verifiable credential issuance. The team agreed to reconvene in Sydney next week for a meeting on the 18th, and Brad encouraged everyone to provide feedback on the Productivity Commission report.

### Notes

- Signature of the participaation agreement is not required to join the ODIF Slack. This is following a decision by OIDF Board that information that contains IP should not be shared in Slack by default. Therefore, signature of the agreement is not a prerequisite.

## Actions

1. All attendees to liaise with Olaf to provide feedback and edits for the Productivity Commission report submission by Monday, October 15th.
2. Olaf to finalize and submit the Productivity Commission report based on feedback received.
3. Interested attendees to register for the roundtable with Tony Allen on Age Assurance Technology Trial on Thursday, October 18th in Sydney.
4. Brad to follow up on the possibility of remote access for the Tony Allen roundtable.
5. Dave to release the minutes from the previous subgroup meeting.

## ADT CG Subgroups

The ADT CG will govern and oversee the activites of the subgroups.

Subgroups will report back to the CG on activities, progress and broad socialisation/review of any work they undertake.

## Subgroups

### SIDI Trust Framework Analysis

**Meets**: Every second Monday @ 5 PM

**Slack**: https://oidf.slack.com/archives/C08HWV6BR7X

**Overview**: https://github.com/openid/cg-australian-digital-trust/blob/f5c4682e24c7f28b8663cdb697268003728d7f73/TrustFrameworkAnalysis/Readme.md

**Discussion**:

As per the meeting notes: https://hackmd.io/9rj0nzA8SfaIIWUvFqQ30g

**Actions**:

As per the meeting notes: https://hackmd.io/9rj0nzA8SfaIIWUvFqQ30g

### DADE AU

**Meets**:

Disbanded in favor of global [OpenID "DADE" group](https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate)

**Slack**:

[OpenID #cg-dade](https://oidf.slack.com/archives/C07KQP3DMR7)

**Overview**: Will align with the global group (next meeting 21 Aug 8am AEST)

**Actions**:

**Discussion**

- Call for Contributions to [Digital Estate Planning Guide](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjM82jsF242ag99-pDaQF00i5YK3Lpwr/edit)

### Age Assurance

**Meets**: TBC.

**Slack**: https://oidf.slack.com/archives/C08HZ95GGKC

**Overview**: https://github.com/openid/cg-australian-digital-trust/blob/f5c4682e24c7f28b8663cdb697268003728d7f73/InnovationDay-1/Readme.md

**Discussion**:

**Actions**:

No Actions - This will remain open as an Active Slack channel while the Innovation Days activites are underway.

## Other Items

# Next meeting

Date: 22 September 2025

## Dial in details

*Zoom*: https://zoom.us/j/95320945677?pwd=aMBNHYCSujHC1MW6z1V1CjbMfKwE27.1

*When*: Bi-weekly from 17:00 to 18:00 on Monday (Eastern Australia Time - Sydney)

*Location*: Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/95320945677?pwd=aMBNHYCSujHC1MW6z1V1CjbMfKwE27.1

*Chair*:

*Minutes*: