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# SCIM IG Meeting Notes 15 Sept 2021

# Attendees
 * Pam
 * Phil
 * Roman
 * Harvinder
 * Paul Lanzi
 * Nick
 * Bjorn
 * Matt
 
# Agenda
 * Mailing list correspondance re: Charter
     * Nancy
     * Roman
     * Janelle
     * Phil
    
 * Goal for today: new revision of charter: draft 3 created:
     * https://hackmd.io/pY0-D9_AQNCI686F2VGHjg

# Notes
 * Roman has tightened up the language, but also made the discussions of extensions and future experimental work a bit more vague
     * If we wanted some BCP work later, we might have to re-charter
     * Phil: there was a lot of work in the previous group to set things up for synchronization and concerning patterns are evolving.  While we haven't fully quantified synchronization, there is a lot of momentum around it.
         * Suggest at least defining the next steps for moving this forward
         * This is not a solved issue but it is an urgent need for consensus
 * Roman: do we need a marker that a BCP is coming?  All we need to say is the things we want to talk about, we may have 0 consensus. Could be that we never reach consensus and have no resulting deliverables
 * Phil: we may need to revise the spec with respect to the data in the synch discussion
     * eg, preconditions, eTags
 * With respect to pagination
     * Lots of threads
     * Nick W is committing to coming back to the group to collate data
     * Matt: Is now a good time to start a new thread on the topic of pagination?'
     * Phil: this might be a better topic for Zoom
     * Phil: there is overlap between paging and synchronization, both deliverables in the charter need consensus on the objective
         * Could start with consensus in the use case document
         * Could eventually revise charter to look for proposals based on outcome of use cases
     * Roman: encouraging us to get a WG by IETF 112 - need to get specificity on the types of work but not the outcomes/solutions
     * Choice: abstract current language about paging and drop the reference drafts
 * Roman: Sounds like we have the ability to have the discussions now, but make later chartering discussions about future deliverables
 * Phil: suggesting that we discuss "coordination of sync of entities between domains" using existing drafts and current experience, mention the technique of cursor based paging
 * Roman: the times we need a charter item is when there is enough specificity to agree on a scope
 * Phil: worried we won't get consensus if we don't have stateful paging, could be cart 
 * Roman: even if there are only catches for simple errors, there is still an errata document, and therefore we are pretty well guaranteed to end up with a new doc #, so we should just proceed on that assumption
 



