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# Session 2 tier list

Who better to judge you all then the dude that died the first half of session 1? That's right nobody is in a better position than me!

Before
![](https://imgur.com/egsh2g9.png)


After
![](https://imgur.com/hCUVyAr.png)




## A tier

### Timurids
The strongest nation in the world right now. Making good use of the Persian monopoly and collecting 30 ducats there. Netto he is still making 10 a month while in a big war and having 30 mercs. The only weakness this nation has right now is that he is out of manpower. *cough cough* manpower edicts. What makes this nation so very strong is the fact he has filled out quality and is up to date with tech. The only other nation in the world that managed to do that is Bahmanis (I wonder who is nr2 in this list), the Livonian order filled out Defensive and Delhi who filled out plutocratic. Honorable mention to chat Perm here btw, he has economic filled out.
Technically the other side has more troops them the Timurids alliance, but you cant push into the mountains of Persia vs a 10 idea Timmie. 10 Ideas mean he has unlocked his morale and his shock damage modifiers.

### France

I know I know I said Bahmanis would be number 2. I lied!
Ìncome is tied with Bahmanis and Mamluks at 50. Currently using his army as a support for the English who are conquering the Dutch. An action I do not approve, leave us poor dootch alone! Behind on tech on all fronts and only 3 ideas. Now, why did I put it here? Currently has the highest max manpower of 73k in the world. This comes from France, and Timurids for that matter, being 150 real dev above the rest. Trade wise its strange, very peculiar. Got Normandy from England but isn't collecting in the English channel, you would think "ohw that's so England gets more and they have a trade deal" nope! no subs being send. I do hope they make some sort of trade deal because collecting in genoa and champagne (champagne is his main trade port) is just not good oke. Either steer everything to genoa and collect it there. Or make a deal with England. Now you are just giving ducats away. 


### Bahmanis
I was going to put Bahmanis second place, hell I even teased it a bit. 4th income with 49 ducats a month and a profit of 25 a month considering everything being wrong religion is pretty good. However, when I sorted by real dev in Skanderbeg I noticed something. Bahmanis has pretty high autonomy everywhere. Still, this nation is very strong and is near tied with the others for spot 2. it has 10 ideas and is only behind on tech on diplo. He could use some peace to get that autonomy down but can he not take advantage of the situation around him?
I am a bit confused about the trade setup, why no simply collect in Coromandel. Sure you get a huge modifier but still, you make more money then steering from Bengal to Doab, and your trade power in Coromendal will only increase when you gobble up the last of the AIs. 

### Mamluks
God damn this nation was played so damn well in the first half of the session. Guess it was oke the second halve himself as well. But seriously took out Ethiopia meaning he has a lot of lands to eat there. Was involved in the big Asian war and profited from it. Took a good chunk out of ottoman as well. Meaning 2/3 players that bordered this nation at the start of the session are dead. Coincidence? I think not!
Income is pretty much tied with France and Bahmanis at 49. Tech and ideas it is a bit behind. 3 tech levels behind in total and 5 ideas. Now 5 ideas aren't good at this point in the game but yeah the world is a [shitshow](https://gyazo.com/213f4490a933203850580587a9d61c67) somehow.

### Delhi
47 income meaning he's one of the big boys here. Currently in a big war vs Timurids with the war leader being Uzbek. I'm not sure if they can win this. Apparently they were lied to by their allies about the situation but still, it's a bad war. Losing money because of the war but at the current rate can keep this up for very, very long before he has to bankrupt. Since you are collecting in Kashmir you should prob just steal your vassal Kashmir's trade. More monies for you!
One of the few players that finished its first idea group. Went for plutocratic as the first idea. Off meta very nice! 

## B tier

### England
Looking very healthy! Income is at 50. Currently winning a war vs holland meaning he will have a near-monopoly on the English channel soon. It is the ENGLISH channel after all. Everything looking pretty decent to be honest manpower FL income everything. Will soon unify the British isles just waiting for a truce. One idea away from starting to colonize and then he will really start making the money.

### Muscovy
The leader of the orthodox church resides in muscovy, doesn't he? Now we all know whois the puppet master in this orthodox alliance! Now I know what you are all yelling at the screen right now. "How can you put Muscovy in B tier he is nr2 GP are you big dum dum?" Why yes I am but that's not why I did it. His real dev is below that of England and morocco, his income is at "only" 32  and he has 1.2k debt. Yes, all of that will be fixed as soon as he forms Russa but he ain't Russia yet now is he? 

### Poland
Poland is in an odd situation. Looking at the map everything thinks Poland is really strong right now. Until you actually take a look at Poland. Income is at 37 even though he is making 9 from gold. 2k in debt and at -7k manpower meaning his army atm is 15k manpower and 2k mercs. Don't get me wrong he can still go way further in debt and recruit a shit ton of mercs. But this nation needs some peace to consolidate. Also, steal trade from Kiev, fuck him you need that money yourself. Finished quality, didn't realize before since he only had 7 ideas. But that's because he's still at 6 admin tech, also 6 dip tech btw.

### Morocco
Morocco was behind a lot at the start of the session. Something about his neighbor house being on fire last session bah just let it burn you got games to play! He has his connection to West Africa so I'm curious to see if he goes that directing. Income at 39 (38.5 you lucky I round it up) witch disloyal burgers so could prob squeeze a bit more out of it in a couple of months when they are loyal again. Or instantly when we start playing again if you give them the COTS. Tech wise lacking admin and only has 3 ideas. But compared to the Europeans that's pretty damn good. Has the third biggest army in the world right now. Which is good ofc, but I wouldn't build it up further unless you hit your manpower cap. Use that money to build up your nation.
He has 14 cannons while the rest of the world combined has 19. 

### Papal states
Mr pope man did pretty well this session. Got all of the Italians (and France) to kill Naples and AFAIK only Mr pope man benefited from it. Selling all those indulgences leaves him at an income of 38. One of the few player nations that are near his max manpower, although that's only 25k. He also has a pretty big navy.

## C Tier

### Bengal
Wow, this nation is something else. He is going to try to form Nepal it seems like recently swapped to Hindu and it shows. only 43% religious unity, but he picked the missionary diety to convert. Except he isn't [converting](https://i.imgur.com/TNaoJqD.png). The income of only 28, 28k army. Currently, cant core stuff because it's occupied by rebels which gives him unrest which gives him more rebels which means he cant core those provinces which gives him more unrest.52k rebels with another 41k to rise soon. 4 state slots left but let's be honest here who would want to state a 47 dev 5 province Burma.
Average autonomy of 58. yikes.

### Oirat
Ah, the horse people. The king of Rohan promised not to go further south after he killed Wei, and then he did foolish Chinese that believed him. It is about to win the war vs the Fire nation but his country is in flames as well. 2k in debt with an income of 19 is a big yikes. Around 80k rebels walking around and in debt of 17k manpower. Still looks good to dominate china though. All the land that he doesn't have in china is farmlands and King Theoden knows what do in those.

### Mewar
Part of the war vs Timurids but enough has been said about that war. Income is at 32 but his inflation is 9 due to his gold mine and loans. He has a really good general which should help vs Timurids if the god tier Timurids general dies first that is. He has the crucial Kalat fort bit awkward that Timurids can just walk passed it to the dryland fort since he didn't get Bela.

### Cologne
Income is at 25 so that's not that bad. He has 5 ideas with 4 in quality and 1 in economic. The most remarkable thing about this nation is that he has almost 19 army professionalism. The highest of all the players!

### Milan
Has 6 ideas and is only lagging with admin tech, what is this blasphemy. Europe is supposed to be a shithole. Income is at 21 which for its size is pretty good. Still, it doesn't look good for Milan. Allied with al its neighbors except for big bad France, who happens to have Perma claims on Milan's land. 22k army and 16k in the bank means he can put up a fight in its mountain fort though. The problem is if Switzerland doesn't help France can just walk into Milan unopposed. Should probably collect in the genoa node, since well he owns genoa.

### Georgia

Has an income of 18 and 500 ducats in debt. Fought in the Timurids war but peaced out for lof of Ottoman coast. Just looking at this nation makes your sieges take longer. Its fully mountains and he went for defensive to make sure he can stack all the fort defense.
Part of the orthodox gang but he's the only one that is also allied to an outsider aka the Timurids. A sign of unrest between the Orthodox boys or just an alliance of convenience? Only time will tell!

### Venice
The weakest of the Italian brotherhood. Although you wouldn't guess if you saw his impressive 37 income. Only 1! idea in plutocratic. His standing army is 4.2k with no manpower. He had an opportunity to go for Tirol but didn't realize how valuable that province is. New to the game and eager to learn so I'm expecting many good things from him!

### Denmark
Denmark fought valiantly against Brandenburg and Cologne, but he bled for it and it shows. Only 2 ideas (1 defensive and 1 in exploration?) behind in tech and without allies. Income at 16 is also pretty bad. Unless he does some blessed Diplo this week it seems he is probably going to die.

### Kilwa
Duckly fixed his nation! Authonomy on his gold is finally going down. Techwise its still far behind though. 4 ideas in quality But still tech 6 while 8 is current. He hasn't got the renaissance which explains why but he prob should have deved it when it spawned. Income is decent at 33 ducats 15 of that due to gold means his inflation is 10 right now. Currently mopping up the last AI in his area but he is pretty far behind. If a bigger power like the mamluks of Bahmanis comes knocking he is in major problems.

### Aztec
The Aztec who somehow scared the Europeans so much that they made a pact that nobody was going to let him reform. Not the smartest to then backstab the nation that can already reach him. This means he is fully reformed off of Portugal. Way behind on tech which is to be expected but he has fully consolidated Mexico. Income thanks to the gold at 35 but he has 18! inflation. 

### Zhejiang
Glorious Zhejiang will be glorious forever. Rumors of them losing a war vs the Oirat by defending Manchu are just fake news. Ìncome is at 32 but he has 2.7k debt. Manpower looks decent though although consider he is only at half his FL it's not great. He vassalised Oda in japan, smart move everybody knows the Mongols cant invade japan! He still is admin 3 though which is no good! Holy shit i only just noticed the 30 corruption. Oke lemme move Zhejiang down a few places damn.

### Fire nation
He has not been stackwiped [yet!](https://gyazo.com/855aa1f0ee271a66c5ff90dc4ca1be93) Not allied with his Zhejiang neighbour anymore which makes you think. Income is only at 15, no manpower and his army is about to get stackwiped. It seems like he is going to lose this war which means its GG for him. Is trying to merc up a new army including merc cannons but it doesn't look good. 

### Brandenburg
Yo Brandenburg is so poor he can't even afford lvl 1 advisors. Ah, the good old yo momma jokes. But it's not even a joke, 13 income and he currently does not have a diplomatic advisor. Lost big vs the orthodox bloc it seems. Finished quality even though he is in Europe which is illegal and we need safe edits for that. It does mean he has no mil points and is a tech behind.

### Livonian order
Income currently at 23 but that's thanks to 4 ducats from bohemia. Tbh this nation was so well played the second half of the session and it shows. 9! ideas just 1 behind leader Timurids and up to date on tech except for 1 admin level but he is doing innovative so that makes sense. His fort defense is already pretty good without policies on. The Livonian wall stands firm.


## D tier

### Majapahit
D for dootch! 14 income means he is not strong at all. Allied to Bengal in a dootch hugbox way and together they defeated the german in their mids. Still it seems this nation needs a lot of work. The goldmine isn't deved up, in fact, he raised the autonomy there! With an average autonomy of almost 50, it's not good. Should have waited for my yo so poor you can't even afford advisor joke. He doesn't have any since he's poor.

### Holland
19 income but ded. England and France want it lands and he's fighting them alone. he's going into bankruptcy in like 3 years. and after that, he cant put up a fight anymore. Hell even with max mercs he's outnumbered. 3 quality ideas though so about average for Europe. 

### Ulm
Even Ulm has a diplomatic advisor guy, what are you doing! he has 8 income and its pretty shit 3 ideas behind in tech (seriously how?) I don't know what else to say. (he can farm his estates)

### Friesland
Èxodus Friesland ahoy! 11 ducats income 6 exploration and 2 expansion ideas. He just reached the Carribean which is rich af so I'm curious if he will survive. seems like England is backing him up which means he should be safe from everybody.

### Sweden
Was AI last session and I free to pick up. 14 income near max manpower. Allied to some pretty decent guys so it's not dead. it needs some love though. 2 trade ideas are a bit agony.

## E tier

### Songhai
Stronkhai has 17 income (17.49 you lose the rounding game) and 1k manpower.It still looks like he got the lion share of western Africa. Feels a bit slow though. 3/4/7 tech is terrible ofc, but boy does it look good when comparing it with Mali.

### Mali
5/3/5 tech. I know what you are thinking, he prob spends all his diplo on developing his gold mine and then all the monarch points to dev the institution right? Well you are wrong! One gold mine was deved twice, no clue if it was in diplo or not but 2 in total. Income is at 20 slightly higher then Songhai but only due to gold. Lot more manpower though but in a 1v1 Songhai wins easily.

### Hosokawa
Saw the Chinese invasion of japan and thought fuck it I'm conquering Korea then. Income is at 15 but more importantly, it got Kyoto! It got a strong navy to try and cheese Zhejiang out of any more in japan. 4/5/8 tech isn't good but at least he is up to date with mil tech.

### Portugal
I heard the tale of Portugal first hand. Morocco cancels alliance, Portugal asks why. Morocco says because he is going to be backstabbed and he can't stop it. Portugal then asks France who denies it. Confused talk all around but in the end France and morocco backstabbed him. Still has his gold mine though making 9 ducats just from that one alone. His income is 20 and he is using 16 of that to run away to the Carribean. Naice.

### Bohemia 
I get it, Poland is scary. So Bohemia is running away into Bavaria. Problem is that soon he will run into other players. Still, he got Tirol through 97.3 autonomy kinda fucks with that. Income is only 10 and is in a very bad place. To start he should move his capital to Tirol but that cost points and he is already behind on admin tech. Up to date with mil and 3/7 quality.

### Hungary 
Lost a bankruptcy war vs the orthodox boys. After that, the rebels broke him and a lot of nations jumped out of him. Income is at 15 and decent manpower. Behind on tech and 5 ideas (4 quality and 1 religious)

### Ottoman 
It was doing so well relatively. Got a safe bankruptcy and ate up the AIs that jumped out of Hungary. Byzantium separatists might actually enforce which is hilarious. Income, for now, is 21 ducats but he just entered a bankruptcy, is behind on tech and ideas and has only hostile nations around him. This nation is ded.

### Brunei
Feliz 2.0. Jumped here after.... something happened to Feliz gang. Behind in tech but he is colonizing. I would get banned from the server if I didn't share [this image](https://gyazo.com/e77630a0c05ee0894c711e79dbfccd41) with you all. Income is at 11 and actually over his max manpower. But yeah its in a bad shape. Luckily so are all its neighbors. 

### Kongo
Lol, mad lad managed to get a coalition war. That's, not the biggest problem though. He is 26/19 FL, all manpower troops. WHILE HE HAS -10K MANPOWER. 4/4/4 tech, just, somebody put it down, please.

### Macassar
I think he is new to the game and is getting help from Majapahit. Best way to learn the game is to just jump into MP so I respect that! It is just shy of the city of worlds desire with a 44 dev capital (Hangzhou is 46). Picked up expansion as expected to get as much land as he can. It is about to annex his vassal tidore which will net him the very nice spice islands! Annexation is stalled though because he placed his relative on the thone which raised the liberty desire. Should prob just dev a couple of times in the vassals land to get the liberty desire down. Has a spare merchant which either should be steering somewhere or collect in the Moluccas.


## F Tier

### Switzerland
[Picture moments before disaster](https://gyazo.com/cf6cf53c248a5e4c805d553a8874c849). Please don't, don't fight rebels in the mountain with 0 maintenance, here I looked in the [future](https://gyazo.com/f38490c19930552c9d01c18fc6a08112). Yes, that's a 6 shock rebel general. Income is at 12.  MIL TECH 5?!?!?!? and no ideas. Wtf happened to this nation?

### Manchu
income is 9 and lost a big war vs Oirat. It's not looking good. Behind in tech and only 2 offensive ideas. Also a big yikes is that 25 corruption.

### Uzbek
Integrated Sibir who he released last session very nice. Other than that 20 corruption, 9 income and losing 8 ducats a month. 19k manpower in debt it's not looking good. Still on mil tech 6, 1 quality idea. It should be put out of its misery.

### Florida
Ever wondered what a 30 development swamp would look like? Well, look no further its Miami! 7 income and colonizing around him. Can soon reform his government so he should prob have saved up his points for tech when he can. Currently in a federation with our one and only Haida!

### Haida
He made his way down to California and is also colonizing about him. Not much can be said about this tbh when you have seen one native you've seen them all. Still 1/1/1 tech like a mother fucking boss! 1886 dip points saved up. also 2.8 income.

### Uesegi
I almost put it in the RIP tier since it lost a mayor war vs the Chinese and lost a lot! But then again it still has 5 income and eh.. its prob dead but it's not totally annexed yet I guess?

### Ayuthaya
This was a player, right? Still, its ded, going to be fully annexed by Bengal in the next war. Way behind in tech and picked religious.

### Khmer
This also was a player, I'm sure of it. Still, Bengal came knocking and it lost a lot of lands. income of only 3 and soon to be totally annexed.

## RIP tier

### Feliz gang
Got annexed by somebody? I'm guessing Zhejiang but honestly could also been AI was at war with AI at one point.

### Korea
Died to Zhejiang and Hosokawa, then jumped on Kongo and well we know in what state that is.

### Shimizu
Died to Zhejiang F

### Oda
Got vassalized by Zhejiang F

