# Session 8 Tier list Before: ![](https://i.imgur.com/bpY45Na.png) After: ![](https://i.imgur.com/xwZRvHt.png) ## Herr gamer moments ### Russian Overestimation The war was declared; the sides are drawn. Battles fought, millions of peasants died. France won a big battle against Ruthenia and its new world Allies. The time for Russia to make a decision was near, does Russia wait until Ruthenia goes into bankruptcy or does Russia join the war on France's side immediately. The only thing that he can't really do is declare a separate war since Ruthenia can just uncon to France and focus on Russia. But Andrex won't do that... Right?? Right??? Ohw he did whelp F Russia. (also meant he couldn't fight vs Yuan). France did truce brrrk to try to help him out but to no avail. Russia was split in 3 and Andrex himself was cut off from his homeland of Finland. ### Brrrrkian Trap If there is one thing Brrrk is always willing to do is fight! So when Great Britain declared on Indonesia he instantly sends his army south to Brunei (gotta get that 3? warscore). Pretty sure he marched them all together based on his contest submission from last week though, who cares about attrition. But I digress, he moved his army through Texas, through Aztec, through Portugal. And then they cancel the access. So he was stuck now haha. ## S tier ### France Survived the new world coalition; Truce broke the new world coalition after that so he got a 200% peace deal out of Ruthenia which is a lot at this point. 1,001k income. 720/890 FL and 1,036M max manpower (currently .548M) with a recovery of 11.1k (boosted with 51 revanchism). Now its nitpicking time shall we look at buildings? (reee delete temples and build some good shit gives you 50 more FL,200 more recovery and 30k more cap) shall we look at his trade? (built lights and send them to Constantinople) or cultures? (still, no conversions smh my head). Or you know ITS ESTATE TIME BABY!! Now let's have a look; Ohw god, ohw fuck why this looks horrible. The clergy has so much land revoke that shit. I assigned all 8-9-10 manpower provinces to the nobility, which is 45.6% of your dev btw (except those crazy high dev provinces like Rome, Milan Ulm, etc) and your manpower recovery went up with 1k a month (100k more max manpower). Your FL went up with 28 at the cost of losing 40 ducats. Sure you cant do that right now because the nobility will be in disaster, clergy and burgers will be disloyal but you should start working on it though imo. (Although great and almighty Distinct told me you shouldn't do that, the assign part that is. Do revoke shit though since burgers having your land doesn't do much since you have 100% control over all your nodes but they do lower your manpower same with clergy) ### Great Britain I tagged into Gbr from France, though I also had given him cash to check stuff around (gave France 20k to build stuff for the test). Reloaded the base safe yes GBR has 14k casually in the bank. Income is at 1.632k. The army is only 243/270 with a manpower cap of 167k and 1.4k recovery. Clearly not S tier worthy. His fleet is 250 heavies and 350 lights. Currently only has 9 heavies protecting the Isles. Sure he has 65 heavies hunting pirates to help France out, which I should stop btw you are boosting France his share from 5 to a whole 7% a whole 3 ducats a month more. While those heavies cost you 240 sailors a month, and 30 maintenance but you won't mothball them anyway so that does not matter. Anyway, he has around 160 heavies east of the cape, risky if let's say the Aztecs land with all their troops in the isles. As soon as he finishes Maritime his quality will be much better than the Netherlands again, until then though it's not as clearly better as you would expect. ### Aztecs Still strong AF. Lost the war but his manpower recovery is atm still 9k with an 873k max. Income at 570 means he is really starting to lag behind France atm though. One thing to note he has manpower edicts everywhere to boost his manpower a bit more. It gives him 500 more recovery and 60k more manpower, at the cost of 18 ducats. I think that's definitely is worth it. If I do the same as with France and give a shit ton of provinces to the Nobility he gets 250 more recovery and 30k more max at the cost of 25 ducats. (but you said you think that's bad) His FL is 585/818 and his professionalism dropped in that war vs France to 26.7. Which means his manpower bank is much lower atm. Rivaled Texas but I think that's just so he can get show strengths since they do have a 13 years truce already. ## A tier ### Mughals Reunited his country last session, which is a big deal. This means he no longer loses halve of his trade out of Persia. The fact that the took a big bite out of Bahmanis also doesn't hurt. It means his income went up with almost 300 ducats to 694. Now some of this is due to Gbr giving everybody subs [(cough cough)](https://i.imgur.com/L7NuGWA.jpg). His Fl is at 578/594. Only 2 cannon stacks with that. It might be worth it to get another one. Manpower is at a max of 408k, with a recovery of 4.1k a month. Should abuse the Jains to get free money, debase then invest corruption its free 1.2k, you could then use that and another 800 for a total of 2k to get 100 dip form the same jains (only need 5% influence more for 150 though) ### Russia Wow only had 217/452 FL almost like he lost 2 big wars. 443 max manpower with a recovery of 5.2k (I'm giving you those 8 extra people a month since typing 5.2 is just so much quicker than typing 5192 because that would make the making of this tier list so much longer and also would make reading it so much longer which is a shame and I don't want to waste anybody's time since that would be, like the word waste kinda implies, wasteful) This recovery is with revanchism through which gives him a 25% boost without he would be at; [5192-(5192/(1+0.15+0.2+0.099+0.258+0.10-0.006)x0.258)=4448.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el8T6-JXbmo) Which feels pretty lowish for a Russia though. It will prob go up since he has some free Ukrainian land to gobble up, which has a lot of manpower dev. ### Nepal Holy shit slaying, where the fuck is your manpower? Max of 198k and recovery of 1.775 a month. You are nowhere near ready for a war! Do a bankruptcy built or something you need so much to build up, plus you are allied/have long truces with your neighbors. Ugh, I did a quick test, you gain a lot of money if you build manus everywhere but you hardly have slots to build barracks and conscription centers then. Anyhow you have free states I assume you are saving them because of culture converting but just state and de-state. Income is good at 444 a month though and a good profit. If he doesn't improve a lot though I'm tempted to actually downgrade him soon. 244/384 FL btw. ## B tier ### Netherlands 600 Income, 200 heavies, and good admirals. I'm hyped for the Gbr vs Netherlands war tbh. Sure you are allied bla bla bla but we all know you guys are building up for that. I think a Dutch will win though. He went innovative for the Heavy combat ability and the Admiral maneuver. Not entirely sure if Religious wasn't the better pickup, for the morale, but hey you are way better at naval then me any way you kicked my Great Britain ass as Pirate Madyas so... Also, you still have the 10% morale from mission available, if you improve relations a bit with your allies and release 2 client states or something. All of his heavies are upgraded as well very cool. You have one COT not given to the burgers btw (the same province you didn't upgrade marketplace in) Pretty sure you don't see it because you zoom out too much when you look at it but that's what I am here for! You can also make 2 more world ports in the Caribbean. So go nuts bro. Or as the dutch say it: Kan je je voorstellen dat er sukkeltjes zijn die dit gaan vertalen? ### Andalusia Much good, very well managed. very cool S tier. Ohw oke guess I'll be honest. Max manpower is at 352k with 3.8k recovery. Luckily I'm rich af boi with 313 income (agony). Not like I have 25k of debt or something. Imagine believing I have 25k of debt just because I just wrote 25k of debt 3 times, I literally said I don't have 25k of debt though like I said I don't have 25k debt and suddenly you guys think I have 25k debt just because I write 25k of debt like 25 times. Well, I only have 22k debt nerds stop taking orders from a tier list. God, I am so not built up. Still won 2 wars vs Rûm, meant I took Egypt from him and with it my first[ farmland Yay!! ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yocja_N5s1I) In fact I have 6 now. I'm so cool. Anyhow 996 mil points better spend that shit while the burgers are still loyal above 60 loyalty hint hint. Universities are so bad though agonia. 390/382 FL. ### Yuan 300 Income, 246k max manpower, and 2353 recovery. 216/230 FL. Took a lot of land from Russia, in fact, took all of his lands back and a bit more! Took 2 provinces in states that Russia has though so impersonally hyped for the sequel of the 4 dev war aka the 8 dev war! You have 42 cannons; 14 in a stack in the west of your nation and 28 in a stack in the west of your nation, could be me but I don't get it. Building value is still very low but looking at that list of buildings being built makes me happy! It is starting to look like a real nation! Hooooolllllddddd up Peli, I just noticed something why the hell did you pick the Nobility government reform -10% leader cost is by far the most useless of those 3. I'm going to see if anybody picked the same... Nope nobody; in fact, everybody picked the 10% advisor cost, only one who picked the clergy are GBR (doesn't have the nobility one) Rûm and Andalusia. Anyway I noticed because I think the 20% production eff policy might be worth it for you ## C tier ### Portugal 422 Income, 240/254 FL. Continued on his path to have a strong army shame literally nothing in his NI's are good for land combat though. Manpower is also still very low at max 150k and 1615 recovery a month. He built all his manus and workshops since his land doesn't have a lot of building slots means he cant built a lof of military infrastructure. Wonder if he is safe since he is rivaled to the Netherlands and no longer allied to Aztecs. He makes 125 from gold a month Jezus, globally it's 319 a month he makes more than a third of all the gold in the world hahaha. ### Rûm Rough! Lost both wars vs Andalusia; did his research during the week though and Merced up to his max and tried to push me out since he was stronger. Unlucky for him I did the same because I wanted to push him haha. This meant he took the offensive battle though which I won meaning I got to 99% with Yuan also peacing out. The second war wasn't stronger anymore but put up a good fight. Currently at 225 income and 174/347 FL. meaning FL wise he's still pretty equal to Andalusia. 20k debt from the wars. He could contemplate a bankruptcy build-up (tbh I'm considering the same) since he's allied/has a long truce with Andalusia and Mughals. Although France might come knocking if he does after France takes land from Georgia. (or Russia even) If Mughals support you though it's possible. 284k max manpower and 4.1k recovery. Multiple people have said its dead but I disagree, it's not as strong as it was but its certainly not weak. ### Sweden Mr. Bitchboi! How are you today? Ohw I got a DM from Gasputin: "Don't mention my nation in the tier list you spoiled too much already". Well, this is awkward..... Look in the sky is [ it a bird? Is it a plane? No its...](https://youtu.be/wCxKVpaAI_g?t=15) ### Texas It was Texas, the joke was that it was Texas since Texas is next. You oke though? You have 4 disasters with progress atm, 1 is ticking down though and you can prevent 2 if you want I assume you are going for court and country instead of internal conflicts although you cant get the +20 max absolutism unless you get that legitimacy up. Did a bankruptcy built off of the war vs France so let's see. Income went up to 190 (47 from Ruthenia though), considering he has no prosperity anywhere due to the bankruptcy that's not that bad. The bankruptcy did cost him his republic yikes. 278k Max manpower and 2.5k recovery. Not bad! That is with pissed of nobility even. 189/228 FL still has a lot of Training fields and conscription centers to built. (it's def stronger then Sweden btw, hell Sweden should prob be moved down to D tier but you know I already put in the youtube link and everything, although i couldn't pick; I also liked [this song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArGlfEVYqM) but you know the first one was the official song.) ### Japan What is this blasphemy HIS INCOME WENT UP HOW?!?!?!?!?!?. If you ignore the subs his income went up to 116 (200 with subs)! It's supposed to be 75, I can't handle this..... you know what. Fuck it his income is 75! So: Income still 75 as always, like what did you expect? Benjamin Franklin said it in the 19th century; nothing in the world can be said for certain, except Death, taxes and the Japanese income. Sure he built some manus which he really needed. Currently losing 23 ducats a month(without subs) for no reason though you aren't at war (expenses are at 98). Should prob lower maintenance so you don't bankrupt yourself. Max manpower is at 116k really low, recovery is at 1.186 also low. Fl is at 120/123 also low. Imagine if only he could get his income up and start building his infrastructure. Almost caught up in tech and made good progress in his ideas. ## D tier ### Ruthenia A pretty bleak situation. 75 income and he is giving 46 of that to texas so wholesome. The army is on holiday in Nepal so it would take them a year to even get back home. Lots of rebels but no separatist so he won't break to them at least. Still 406k max manpower and 3.3k recovery, all that manpower is going to go to Russia it seems since Russia does have permanent claims on all the good land. The truce is up. ### Bahmanis Yikes well, this nation is pretty dead. 76 income 65k max manpower only 1.1k recovery (due to bankruptcy, then again revanchism gives him a 50% bonus so it would prob end up being like 1.5-1.6k recovery). 28/168 FL. Not much to say about it; diplomatically isolated unless slaying does a good old Italy move again but I doubt it since he will be getting most of the land. Its currently in bankruptcy and in the court and country disaster ### Thirteen colonies Brrrrrkkk! 140 income. Only 56k max manpower with 512 recovery. 72/[69](https://i.imgur.com/zlfTXbz.png) FL. The truce is up with Texas, you better raise the maintenance on those forts. Slipped into a dictatorship which is a bit of waste since you get yearly RT from your ideas. At least the king is strict, the 2 mil skill is a bit of a yikes though. He literally can't build up his nation any more since he doesn't have building slots. But he can't really dev because he is behind in tech and ideas. Sell your heavies to Gbr. ## E tier ### Malaya And they keep coming; once great nations who have fallen from grace. 90 income, lost his navy, can't win on land vs Nepal and lost a good chunk of land already. He currently only has 6% power in Malacca (still makes him 10 ducats though). Pretty damn dead. On his dead bed the late king passed along a message; a message of hope: "The 10 year war with japan was an amazing war.. we turned the warscore back positive a few times. I'm still pretty convinced that we would have held our ground if it wasn't for massive GBR subs that kept flowing in, while makkasar had to bankrupt twice during the war" ### Brunei Income is at 46, 39k max manpower 421 recoveries. Still has 46 heavies but when I wanted to detach old ships it didn't let me because his entire fleet is outdated (except one transport that one is up to date, the Sungai Tinjar) At this point in the game; without allies, I'm also calling this one sorry Feliz you basically dead. ### Makassar Still going strong? Maybe? 21 income (and that's rounded up). Dropped Naval so his navy is shit now, then again he has 1 boat with a very cool name. Manpower is max 12k 132 recovery and 0/22 FL. Yikes. I'm calling it its dead sorry Gbr will just come knocking again.