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# Session 7 tier list

Before
![](https://i.imgur.com/l3xCusV.png)


After
![](https://i.imgur.com/6lzds2y.png)



## S tier
### Ottoman
Income is at 317. 112/352 FL. A much higher max manpower and manpower recovery then Spain. Max manpower is at 284k and recovery is at 2.8k a month. Lost Venice in the war. Not a big loss but still, its a loss. Spends about 20% of its income on debt. I like his fort placement, could slightly be improved but that's coming from somebody who doesn't even have forts so take it with a grain of salt. Allied France so I'm curious how that is going to work out. It is lacking economic infrastructure which is why is lagging in the money department.

### Spain
Second highest income in the world at 370. 122/206 FL. Has built up most of the manufactories. Can build some good workshops to go along with it. It seems to have started building up his military infrastructure. I think Spain will increase in power a lot in the next session. Took part in the big war in Europe but it doesn't show. Currently has no loans 2k in the bank and a profit of 181 each month. Manpower is about 50k off from the max. Manpower is his real weakness currently with max manpower of "only" 131k and recovery of 1.5 a month he is lagging behind a lot on both the Ottomans and Russia and is about equal with Prussia.
He doesn't seem to be culture converting so should probably accept some more culture only at 3/6 at the moment. Still has its war policies on so should cancel 2 of those, on the same note has 5/4 leaders so get rid of one. I assume you are going to do a military idea group next so you need the points.

## A tier

### Russia
Income skyrocketed this session! Went up to 250 and currently has the biggest standing army I think of 241/277. Max manpower is 255k and recovery is 2.3K slightly less than the Ottoman. Has that awesome free troops button called streltsy. Still needs a lot of money to build up hardly build any manufactories/workshops/regimental camps/barracks. Potentially is the strongest nation of them all if it could build all that.
Broke the deadlock in the Asian war by declaring on Qing 3 times during this session (2 of which were truce breaks) and took a good chunk out of Beijing. Made a deal with Transoxiana it seems that he won't kill it in exchange for all its trade. Diplo vassalised two Siberian countries which is a big oof in my opinion. This means he is 2 over his relation limits. Those 2 provinces are costing him at least 120 Diplo points each. Finish trade and is going quantity next I assume meaning he can get that sweet 20% goods produced policy soon. Hold up I just noticed he even made one of those vassals a march. Who needs stability anyway am I right! Also might want to do some states swaperoo.

### Vijayanagar
Was triumphant in the Asian war which took most of this session to complete. He took most of Tibet and made it a vassal. Income is at 205 and FL is at 55/241. Max manpower of only 115k and recovers 1k each month. Took admin ahead of time which is a bit of a waste considering he has a lot of inflation. I would recommend him at least looking into a possible bankruptcy. Without it paying back all the loans are going to take forever and will keep rising inflation. But then again I don't know if ottoman will come knocking if you do. Has build decent infrastructure so far. Went Quantity which is probably a good idea. Has room for 6 more states and there are some juicy ones to pick.

### Great Britain
Highest income, suck it, Leeroy! Managed to finish trade which gave him the lead for now but will never be on time for the next Diplo tech meaning Spain will probably overtake me in a year. Spend a lot of money funding both Japan and India vs the Chinese. For the rest didn't do much, attacked the USA together with Texas but that was a quick war. Just been building up, most of the manufactories and workshops are done so its now time to invest in military infrastructure. Has only build barracks and regimental camps in inland provinces, I wonder why that is. Has 2 merchants not doing anything and can get a free one from the Indian trade company. Meaning 3 unused merchants. Weak as fuck army though. 

### Macau
Income is growing nicely and is up to 184 right now. FL is at 192/240 making it the second-largest standing army I think.
It has nicely built up a lot of manufactories and workshops. It seems to be currently improving his military infrastructure. Has deved a decent amount of his land to 20 already meaning he has the room for all 4 essential buildings.
I don't know what he is doing with his cultures though. Culture converted some of his primary cultures to Zhuang and is now culture converting other provinces to his primary culture of Cantonese. Provinces he already deved to 20. Still, the best nation management and is looking strong! Only rate him slightly higher then Zhejiang in a 1v1 due to those banners. I still have nightmares about them.

## B tier

### Prussia
Prussia looks strong, it should be strong but has an average autonomy of almost 35. Highest of all the player nations. 122 income and 100/137 FL. Surely he will have the highest effective discipline though let's check Skanderberg just to be sure and Butua has 3 more discipline. Are you even trying Prussia? Is lagging in dip tech which is costing him come corruption and he needs the money to build up. Some manufactories a lot of workshops barely any regimental camps and barracks. On top of that a good chunk of his nation is only a territorial core, still stated but he doesn't have admin to full core it. Can state his entire country but that still leaves him with the core problem. I assume that after the next admin tech he will use most of its points to full core stuff even though he didn't even fill out innovative. Has his war aspect of faith even though he is at peace (is Prussia ever really at peace?) He is struggling money-wise.

### Butua
Chad Butua showing virgin Prussia how to have a high discipline. Has an effective discipline of 215 in skanderberg. Income is good at 190 and 73/134 FL. Won a war vs Ethiopia and Songhai in a clear display of why quality is better than quantity. Stackwiped 60% of the Ethiopian army at one point. He has a lot of loans and inflation to go with it but is making a healthy profit still. Still has his war policies meaning he is wasting 2 mil a month for no reason. He can demand money from the burghers. Build up some manus and a good amount of workshops but can build so many good manufactories and since he has near full control of his trade that's a lot of money!
Even though he could use peace, I assume he will go in vs Ethiopia again as soon as the truce ends.

### Zhejiang
"Lost" the Asian war. Didn't lose any land himself only Qing lost around 400% warscore of land. Still losing leaves him very vulnerable since Qing was a big ally to have. Macau seems to have done an Italy and broke the alliance with Zhejiang and allied Vijayanagar. Leaving him only allied with Madyas who will not be able to support him on land. Currently is invading Korea that broke free from Qing. With the help of Madyas he will be able to defend it but it will be hard. Also took admin ahead of time but didn't pick his next idea group yet I assume it will be offensive. He has some loans but nothing to be worried about.
Income is at 119 and FL is 92/173. Most of his land is Manchu so he can raise a lot of banners. This nation on its own is still strong. But since his neighbors are allied with each other he needs to do some good Diplo (wink wink pappa Russia)

### Papal states
Mr great power over here got all the profit from the war vs the ottoman. Admitted he bled a lot. Still out of manpower and heavily in debt. Luckily for him, Spain is helping him pay off his debt. Income is at 178 78/135 FL. As is a tradition with the pope his land is well build up. Admittedly the land he took this session a bit less but that's to be expected since not all of your enemies will build up their land for you (we still miss you Milan). Might want to do some buildings reshuffling later (what are you getting out of that shipyard and dock in Verona? you could also get 2750 max manpower and 1 FL out of it). Behind in Diplo tech means he is paying some money for corruption. It only needs Genoa to declare the kingdom of God. While you get some nice bonuses out of it it does disable the papacy so not sure if Spain wants that (actually pretty sure Spain doesn't want that). I have heard that the pope of next week has some wild plans so I expect it next week to be a bit higher up or a lot lower.

## C tier

### Aztec
134 income and 116/109 FL. Effective discipline is surprisingly low at 154. He is slowly using that gold money to build up his land but it's going slow. Said he would intervene and defend the USA but didn't in the end. Slowly expanding into California. Should probably accept 2 more cultures or start culture converting. I don't really see the point of having 45 cannons to be honest. the combat width is 30. Once you reach max manpower I would personally first swap out the couple cav you still have and then either go to 60 cannons or 30. He allied Madyas so interesting how that is going to play out.

### Madyas 
Speaking of Madyas looks who's next! Income is at 70 but most importantly he has 70 heavies! For the next 2 years, he also has 20% durability from events. Currently, his navy is about equal quality-wise with Great Britain I think, but one he finishes maritime he gets an extra 20% navy morale. Interesting to see how the whole control of the seas is going to play out between Great Britain, Madyas and Otomo. Madyas will have the quality advantage because he is a pirate republic and has finished maritime already where Great Britain has much more income and higher FL/sailors cap.

### France 
Broke the alliance with Great Britain. Should I be worried?
Income of 115 since he build a couple of manufactories and is building up the nation. It still has a lot of good ones to build. Lost a lot of manpower vs the Prussians in their short skirmish but didn't lose any land. It doesn't have loans and is in an overall decent state. 47/85 FL since he disbanded his mercs and consolidated his regular infantry. Could easily field his complete FL but I assume he is just waiting until he is closer to his manpower cap to save some money. 

### Portugal
Income at 124 Fl at 71/76. I would have expected him to have colonized more by now. I guess since he expels a lot of minorities that means he cant have extra colonies normally. Has hardly build any buildings (8k building value) What has he be doing with his money? Took Diplo and mil tech ahead of time. I don't really why.
Still, it's not a weak nation. It has the protection of pappa Spain meaning its relatively safe. It can take a bit more colonial growth from the burghers. It seems to be the emperor forever since he is the only electable nation left in the world. It has the key to the decline of the spice trade in its hand if he decided to annex the rest of Tunis. 

### Songhai
130 income and 23/99 FL. All 23 are cannons! It has awesome manufactories to build but lacks the money right now. Lost a major war together with Ethiopia vs Butua. Took all the tech ahead of time! Could have used that to dev a bit more and seems like a waste of points. Hasn't picked the next idea group yet. Can press the free money button and instantly lose the corruption thanks to the Muslim piety system. It seems like he has 12 years to prepare for the war vs Butua again.

### Otomo
Another victor of the Asian war! His spoils of that war were the best parts of Korea! It is the only nation beside Great Britain and Madyas to go naval. Currently is bleeding money to pay for his mercs which, I assume, he is going to also invade Korea just like Zhejiang. Income is low at 66 with a FL of 54/61. Still, he expanded the last session after like 100 years so that's something! 25 heavies and 32 gallies. Also had 30 of the Royal navy's finest boats lying around. It also has a free admin policy he hasn't used yet. Sure it's not the best one "only" -20% state maintenance but it's still free. You can also farm your estates which you probably should do since its free points! 

### Inca
Smaller brother to the Aztecs. Is filling out both quality and offensive at the same time, isn't focused on military though which is a bit of a waste, on a similar note he can demand military points from the estate. Income is at 128 and FL is at 80/82. Army composition is weird, 34/24/22. Lacking a full back row of arti and at the same time has a shit ton of cav which is a bit of a waste of money. Spending his money on manufactory which he should! Still has a lot of them to build though. Also should build some of the workshops first. Since he is training his whole army I wonder if using the state firearm regiments make sense 

### Majapahit
A grand total of one manufactory. Income is pretty low at 82. Is spending 36 of that on colonies. Fl is very low at 36/44. I don't really get the focus on admin, especially since he is filling out the offensive idea group. I don't get why he didn't accept any of the cultes. Sure they are in his culture group but still, I don't expect Majapahit to hit empire rank anytime soon. Explo offensive gives him the aids policy of 50% privateer efficiency so there might be some money in being the first mate to Madyas. Ironically his only possible rival is Madyas. 

## D tier

### Texas
Percentage-wise probably grew the most last session. Income is still low at 75 (40 of which are life support from Britain).  58/59 FL but has some potential. Nation isn't build up at all yet. All that land from the USA still has high autonomy, this country definitely could use a couple of years of peace just to build up. Lagging on tech quite a lot but it's just within no corruption range. Also at -1 stab but I guess 2 truce breaks will do that to you. He should probably pick a naval doctrine because why not? its only 40 ducats. 

### USA
Income is at 54 and 18/45 FL. Lost a lot of land vs the lone star state. Who as mentioned truce broke him twice. It needs some outside help to survive. Either from the Aztecs, the Incas or Portugal. Preferably all of them. But are they willing to stick their neck out to help him? He can demand some money from the burghers but that isn't the main problem he needs an army and help!

### Ethiopia
73 income and 40/94 FL. Went bankrupt during the war vs Butua and surrendered shortly after that. Won the first war so netto didn't lose that much. But Butua is probably eyeing him for some more land. Paying halve his income in interest right now and I assume because of that isn't running any advisors even though he would make a profit from hiring the tax guy. While too late now should probably have culture converted and formed Yemen for the better NI.

### Transoxiana
The little Transoxiana that could. Made a deal with Russia to give him all the trade and in return, Russia doesn't kill him. Income is only at 41 since he has no trade. 49/59 FL. Pretty far behind on both admin and Diplo tech. I wonder if he will be in conflict with Vijayanagar due to him having Punjab as a vassal. Terrible ideas 3/7 explo with nowhere to colonize so should drop that. 3/7 defensive and 0/7 offensive didn't pick his fourth IIRC religious had the best events if you just want to take it for those. Took loans to embrace Global trade I think. Currently has 4.85 corruption but a press the button to lower it with 2 instantly.

## E tier

### Qing
There currently are 7 Qings! Lost around 400% warscore this session and is hurting a lot. His most eastern possessions will also most likely break to rebels since he can't reach there. Fought valiantly vs Vijayanagar and Russia but they were just too strong combined. Especially considering he needed to keep some troops back to deal with landings from Otomo. Income currently is at 49. 68/79 FL. Can farm the estates but based on the chat I think he kinda gave up near the end. Losing a lot of money right now because he can't afford his army. 

## F Tier

### Asa was here
AFAIK there wasn't a player on it last session. Still, the AI did AI things and colonized randomly. Income and FL are low but there is a lot of lands that he can still colonize.

### Ulm
OG Ulm lost and OG Austria jumped on it and became a vassal to Prussia. Income is at 17 10/17 FL. Got fed some land and is at 228 development. Not much to say about it, to be honest.

### Poland
In a true polish fashion only has cav, and who can blame him that sprite is awesome. Is migrating somewhere but gods know where. Then again the one and only Thunder is playing it so it will be a world power in no time. Income is at 14 and 12 cav out of the possible 24. Could farm military points form estates. 

### Apache
Wasn't played the last session. Not sure if it will be again. If the player returns he will have nowhere to expand into. Well a total of 3 provinces he can still colonize. 



