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# Session 4 tier list

Session ends: 22:05
R/europe 22:06

![](https://i.imgur.com/5aNSRQ4.png)

I think I'm getting Stockholm syndrome though. Here it is Monday and I'm making one.



Before
![](https://imgur.com/OyvLjJT.png)


After
![](https://imgur.com/TflMjfs.png)

## Herr gamer moments of sesson 4! (AFAIK)
I just wanted to mention these moments!

### Stab hit
At the start of the session, the Livonian order was alone in a war vs the HRE boys.
They managed to occupy everything from the Livonian order but they couldn't get to Georgia so they couldn't take 100%. OR COULD THEY. If they sieged back the lands occupied by rebels in Austria they would have 100% warscore and they would have taken 100%.

### Trouble in the Kongo
Rum decided that he wanted the cores of Ajuraan back. [(Watch this guy I think it's funny so I'm forcing you all to watch it)](https://clips.twitch.tv/AmazingBlitheSwallowAliens). Now so far so good. Kilwa cant fight Rum so he was bound to lose. Kongo decided that this was the moment to attack Kilwa as well! Ofc Kilwa just gave the cores back to Ajuraan and suddenly he Kongo was fighting 1v1 vs Kilwa.

## S Tier
Dare I? Am I really going to use an S tier? I would like you all to take a moment and reflect on this monumental event. 

### France
Le Baquette stronk. He went offensive, what a chad! It is probably the best idea group pick up though, considering his manpower is still nearly equal to the Timurids (who did pick up quantity). Plus remember kids, mercs life don't matter! With the bank of Londen behind him quality is probably more important for him then quantity so very smart pickup! Highest income in the world of 145 a month. He is currently at his max manpower and not at his max FL. Unless he knows for sure he is going to relax for a long time he should probably at least not waste manpower. Now let's see what more can I say: an :agony: since you manage to piss off your burgers again. Since you are building a shit ton of manus (yes I see all 12 of them being build) why didn't you pop the High-income mission before? For the 10% construction cost and the 25% construction time.

### Timurids
You know what's even better than having 123k max manpower Mr. France? Having 132k max manpower. Even though he has 141k in the bank right now. Ìncome is lagging behind France by only a bit at 125 a month. You can clearly see this difference since Timurids is only building 11 manufactories (god you can build so many good ones) as opposed to France his 12. Took a big slice out of India. Truce with Mewar is up but a lot of people allied them (Bengal, Punjab, Oirat) so that looks a bit scary. If he does go for it they won't have good terrain to defend anymore since Timurids took it all in the last wars vs Mewar and Punjab. The Timurids and France are really close in strength to each other! While France purely on the stats is stronger Timurids has laid the groundwork for some good expansion into India, so I wouldn't be surprised if they swap next week.

## A Tier

### Bahmanis
The third income in the world only slightly behind Timurids. Picked up trade as a third idea which is debatable. I guess he is going quantity next for the goods produced modifier but the other way around would have been better in my opinion. This guy though! He is the most wholesome guy that there is! He has debt from fighting Punjab and Mewar but he is still giving money to Kilwa and Andalusia. Very cool! If he went Quantity third I would have put them in S tier because currently, he has an FL of 76. 

### Russia 
I don't wanna say I told you so but forming Russia fixed 90% of troubles! Forming Russia gave him an extra 13 or so states. Debt is almost gone and income is looking a lot better at 70 with a profit of 25 (32 if he wouldn't have to pay interest). Third highest in max manpower and an FL of just under 100 (it's 99). The building's value is abysmal though 3.5k which is equal to Sweden. This nation needs peace, buildings and Siberian frontiers and to become a real big boi. 

### Poland
I'm too lazy to count if he actually gained dev fighting the Europeans. Made a deal with them, claims the pope broke the deal, pope says Poland broke the deal. Who is telling the truth? Who is lying? You decide! 
Income is finally improving but still very much lower than everybody around him at 50. Still has 3k debt as well (wink wink burgers wink wink) Max manpower is nice at 84k. FL is a bit lowish at only 67 (high autonomy) but he has a 15% boost in demand which is nice.
Most importantly, He broke Brandenburg and Venice's back. 

### Rum
So sad every game Ottomans just dominate their regio- what did you say? It's not Ottomans? What are you talking about it literally says Ottoman government! Stupid interns anyway: This Ottoman is looking good! 79 income is a bit on the low wend of what you would expect but that's because trade sucks in this region, everybody wants to steal your monies. He has some good states he should use, even if he doesn't core them it still lowers autonomy from 75 to 50 (and prosperity!)

### Great Britain
So close to 100% control of the English Channel. As soon as he takes the Hague he will get all the money from it! He was forced to invest heavily in his navy this session because Portugal was a treat and doing the same! This means he ended the session with 35 heavies which means he has the same amount as nr 2 and 3 (but they don't have Great Britain ideas). Income looking sexy at 105 with a good profit. It can make some really, really good manufactories in the English channel (double the profit!).
Also quiz time: What do you do if you are the English monarchy and only have 2 estates?
Answer: Piss them off at the same time!


## B Tier

### Andalusia
Imagine being B tier two session in a row, when you keep in mind I added an S tier it basically went down a tier (PS: the only reason for S tier is so people keep stopping bitching about going up a tier!).
The reason why is pretty simple: income hardly went up from 65 at the start of the session to 70 at the end of the session. A big part of this is due to swapping to the orthodox religion which should long term prove to be a good idea but hurts short term. I expect the next session Andalusia will gobble up the rest of West Africa and with the manufactories as well the income should go up by a lot! Ironically telling France to move trade port to Genoa made me lose money out of Safi myself. Very smart Krediax, Very nice.

### [Bengal](https://i.imgur.com/5hOKFnS.jpg)
(I'm not sure if you guys see my clickable links so hint hint look at the blue name of Bengal in the header..)
Mr ohw I am totally strong I am number 2 great power after all is back for another session to disappoint me! Income is slowly rising and up to 60 now. He has 4 free states which he isn't using, although I guess this time its sort of justified since he is about to go Nepalese culture (forgot that cost 100 dip didn't you?). He is also making good progress with converting. My prediction, next session we will all see the true power of this nation. Nepal formation on command (should prob wait until you have 21 ideas, best parts are the final 2 anyway IIRC) and finally using his states means he can probably unlock his true potential.
A good amount of manpower and his FL is of 68 also isn't shabby. 

### Oirat
I have to be honest with you guys. I have no clue where to put Oirat, I never did. This time I just put him here. Reason why? Well, its income is shit, he has high corruption. His army is "only" 36k but his FL is at 88. Good generals and so much good free land he can eat from the Chinese. Massively behind in tech. It feels like this nation has a lot of potential, but at the same time, it feels like it could die at any moment so I honestly don't know. Wait hold up i just realised he went aristocratic first idea group. What. A. Chad. So very close to becoming an Empire he just needs 77 more dev and the prestige! So one more war vs Zhejiang/Manchu and we will see Yuan Possibly.

### Aztecs
Tag switched and there is a popup that the Aztecs refused to give Frisian Mexico Fleet basing rights. Can't blame him, to be honest, that cost money.
Managed to almost catch up in tech and has 20 ideas (remember he started the session at 3!) meaning he is sharing the second place with Bahmanis behind idea leader Milan. Income is at 83 and FL is at 93. Sneaky distinct using 0 strength regiments to get army professionalism. He has 4.2k banked up and will prob use that to build manus as soon as he hits admin tech 14 and fixes his only problem that this nation still has is that it has almost 25 inflation. Sure it's going down but it's going to take some time. 

### Papal States
While I wasn't sure if Poland Netto gained dev, the pope definitely did! Didn't commit that hard to the war afaik, only took a couple of loans. I wonder if there is a reason he didn't state the 54! dev state of Bulgaria yet. Pope said Poland broke the deal, Poland says the pope broke the deal. I honestly don't know so let's just call them both treacherous! (the only thing I know is they both have land they weren't supposed to have according to the deal) While dev wise the pope did oke, his allies Venice and Brandenburg lost quite a lot. With Denmark betrayed by France that significantly weakens the HRE + Italy block. Income wise he is at 88, low manpower but that's to be expected since he fought a big war. Has managed to prevent the reformation (its 1544 people) although that's partly also due to the HRE gobbling up all the AI's before tech 7. Still, it can happen any moment considering the reform desire is at 99%.

## C Tier

### Punjab
On voice chat, after the game, the Timurids player made a good point. Somehow, Holo (Timurids) and Morluck (Punjab) always fight each other. [Pretty sure this depicts their reaction when they first saw each other. ](https://i.imgur.com/svPRCPA.jpg) (no way you guys miss that link right?) Punjab itself lost a lot of land. It needs to do some very good Diplo to somehow not die to Timurids and Bahmanis. Even his old ally Bengal rivaled him. His income is 46. Still 13 higher than the last session because he swapped to Punjab who has awesome ideas, could be higher but the cost of replacing all the flags from Delhi to Punjab actually cost more than expected. FL is 55, which isn't bad but Timurids, Bahmanis, and Bengal have more than him. If you then consider it will always be at least 2 of them it doesn't look good.

### Kilwa
So close, yet so far. Income is at 93! deving his gold mines gave him a nice boost. A brief border skirmish with rum means he lost his land in the Gulf of Aden (Yes duckly forts are nice but don't mothball the forts on the border) He probably is going to finish off the rest of the Kongo. FL is relatively low at 47, or his income relatively high due to the gold one way or the other he should spend that gold on buildings. Inflation is at 25% which is terrible! Pretty much means 25% of his income doesn't mean shit.

### Majapahit
First, of all, thank you for selling/giving Palopo to Makassar. That just makes the borders look so much nicer. Still a bit behind on tech but not as bad as it once was! It is 2 provinces off from forming Malaya, although that doesn't really change much, apart from being purple. Income is at 50 and that is without deving his gold mine! A lof of his land is uncored but that makes sense since he wants to catch up on tech I assume. Idea wise he's still ahead of most others with 15 ideas (yes it's that bad). He has 21 heavies which makes it the second biggest navy in the world!

### Cologne
Income looking decent at 55. FL is at 42. Lagging a bit behind on tech meaning he hasn't unlocked his third idea yet. If he takes on the province from Brandenburg he can form Westphalia. Why would he want to? Well, why not! Got to form all the nations you can! The land he has is pretty good to dev as well, the problem is he doesn't has that much land only 35 provinces. That's the problem if you hugbox in the HRE you all remain small. 40 Army professionalism means he can use manpower troops for quite some while before he has to merc up, which gives him a nice financial boost in wartime. He should prob start building some regimen camps for the force limit so he can look scary!

### Mewar
Oef, I hope you and Punjab's Diplo game is on point. You made a good start with allying Bengal, and Oirat at least! Income took a hit to 37 because he lost 100% warscore of land. 68 FL actually more than Punjab impressive consider you don't have that much land! He is 3 ideas off of getting an extra 10 Discipline which will be huge. But does he has the time? He doesn't have truces with Timurids and Bahmanis anymore. 

### [Hosokawa](https://imgur.com/a/hR80Kso)
Slowly trying to claw their way to the top. He is now unifying the Japanese islands while also took Korea (yes both the north and the south) He is allied with the Oirat so he is pretty safe. Quintupled his ideas so that's very nice! Should prob knowledge share with Oirat, if it's just because of money just sub it back. You make more then Oirat anyway at 40 income!

### Venice
Venice took a big hit from the war. He lost a couple of provinces and was cut in to. Now, normally this isn't that big of a deal for Venice since none of the easterners has any boats. Currently, he is making 65 ducats which are only marginally higher than the last session (losing land and all). Is giving 10% of that to Poland because, why not? He has built a lot of buildings, the problem he is having right now is that he doesn't have space for more. He needs to build regimental camps and Manufactories but he has a lot of temples, some courthouses even and all marketplaces. The biggest problem is, what's stopping the east from knocking again? Needs to do some Diplo.

### Milan
Decided that just being Milan wasn't enough, so he also became Switzerland. The dual republic of Milerland. Up to date with tech and has 21 ideas! Only one in the world that has 21 ideas! Income at 44 is oke for its size (22 provinces). 43 FL and currently has a lot of mercs. So I'm going to assume he is scared of France, I don't see why else he would have them while he has 16 loans. Has a lot of temples and workshops and should prob build manufactories or regimental camps now. 

### Georgia
South wall going stronk. Well is it though? 7/9/9 Tech which isn't good. 37 income, no good trade node and nowhere to expand. This nation is currently alive because Russia doesn't want Timurids to have it, Timurids doesn't want Russia to have it while Rum doesn't care he was able to form rum already. One very cool thing is that he has 100% patriarch authority, much sexist!

### Sweden
Mr. France lite, hell they are even both blue, coincidence? I think not!
Income is at 25 and 181 dev. FL is only 23 same as Denmark, but Denmark isn't a little bitchboi to France.

### Frisian Mexico
[First thing I noticed, this fratricide is not oke man. ](https://gyazo.com/c9e395d49e651bb81f557409f42fad6d) Making 28 ducats a month because Daddy Distinct is subbing him 11 a month. Not much to say about this, expect everybody with a discord should click [HERE](https://discord.gg/h65sYH)
### Inca
He was AI last session, also he is only 1 province away from the Aztecs. He really needs to reform since he is lagging a lot behind!

## D Tier
### Livonian Order
30 income isn't that bad considering what he went trough, currently has 19 loans and should probably just declare bankruptcy as soon as possible mana wise. Still, I expected him to die. Thanks to the double war of the HRE boys he didn't and even has more HRE land than ever (just don't look at Livonia proper, no seriously don't look there, STOP!) He is lagging behind in tech and ideas but he might have done the most bankruptcies this game so far so that explains something. Since he is going bankrupt anyway (i assume) should probably just fight corruption as much as possible until he does.

### Netherlands
What's one more exiler am I right? Just kill the other exiler Portugal and you can take its place in the Caribbean! Currently is breaking the rules smh. You can only be in 2 CN before 1550 Mr. Dootchman. Income at 22.5 but he literally just exiles this session so give it some time. at least he picked the right trade node the Carribean is rich af.

### Makassar
It is in a symbiotic relationship with Majapahit. Gave the spice islands to the nobility and the clergy, it should go to the burgers! He picked up trade seems like they are going to give all the trade to him and he is going to give out subs? for the moment though he has 26 income and is still really weak. (farm your estates!)

### Brunei
20 ducats a month! and an FL of 21! But he is a naval power but lost all his heavies to Great Britain. Managed to be on 5 continents so that's nice! If he can colonize a lot in South America he can get an actual power base (serious whats with all the player going to the new world)

### Brandenburg
Oef, took a really big hit. Lost 100% warscore vs the Livonian order. This means he lost Danzig and Konigsburg as well as all the gains they made earlier vs the Livonian order. Even worse. Poland snaked into its heartland as well! Currently has no army and 13 loans. Peasants' war firing isn't that bad, he can use that to also trigger the civil war.  Which will give him a free army! It started offensive but hasn't put points into it just yet.

### Portugal
You know who would benefit the most from the age of Reformation being delayed so much? Portugal! You know who got stabbed the most so far this game? Portugal! Was kindly but urgently requested to leave Iberia and then the Netherlands and Great Britain came along and booted him out of his carton box under the bridge, even the Carribean cant be his home. Currently, he is renting a place downtown Brazil, to afraid to buy since people might try to kill him at any time. Gave Britain and the Netherlands a run for their money though, won the land battle on Puerto Rico at least twice and even had naval superiority for a while.

### Haida
I was right to put him above Wichita in the last session! Also at 1/1/1 tech though and with an Aztecs that is closing in it could mean doom for him. His total dev is at 163 right now. 

## E Tier

### Denmark
Lost 9 provinces (101 dev) and gained 89 so didn't lose that much dev wise. The problem is he has 0 allies right now. Livonian order and Russia will come knocking as soon as the truce is up and so will Sweden and Great Britain. Income is only 9! still has 2 colonies with 1 colonist in the newfound land though. He is going to get a free army from the pretenders which are nice! Will also end his civil war so free stability as well! Holy shit its a 5/5/5 pretender, damn I would let that win as well. FL is only 23 which means he can't really fight anybody. 

### Wichita
Ye blame sous. (cough cough click [HERE](https://discord.gg/h65sYH))
Attacked by Frisian Mexico pretty much as soon as he jumped. He was still at tech 1/1/1 with awesome development but obviously had no change. He has a vassal in The rocky mountains so he might try to do something there. 

## F Tier

### Ulm

F, got vassalized by Milan.