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# Session 6 Tier list

Why do you want me to make this tier list? I didn't even play! But fine I'll take a look around at the safe I guess?

Before:
![](https://imgur.com/xQbmxqE.png)

After:
![](https://imgur.com/KVboUW5.png)

## Herr gamer moments
### Brrrrkk
What do you do when you take over a CN? Read the ruleset? fffs fuck that. CN is a republic, right? yeah! It is no CB your old nation time! It doesn't matter that that breaks the rules, it doesn't matter that it puts me at -2 stab AS A REPUBLIC. Yolo

### Japanese expedition force
The situation was dire, the Incans were pushing and winning against their alliance. Japan was sending help! And then his 26k troops died to attrition on the boats and never even landed in South America. Good effort though! (also stop killing yuan rebels reeee)

## S+ tier

### Goorthalon
### Cirian
### Don Camillo
### Geralt
### Armouredspacepony

Seriously we needed a lot of subs this session and thank you all for subbing! :clap: 

## S tier
I wonder which 2 nations will be here, not like they have been here from pretty much the start.

### France
Hey hey hey Spicy, Spicy I heard a really funny story today. You are going to love this. Oke, so you know money right? ducats? Ye those. Now the fun part is... Seriously it's hilarious... well the fun part is you make more netto then Rum even has as income hahaha what a loser. Seriously 209 ducats a month, PROFIT. Guess he can use that money to build manufactories, oh that's right he has built ALL OF THEM already. Time to share the wealth gib gib! Fl is at 226, relatively low tbh, that's because he has only built 7 regimental camps. He has 132 more to built. Combine that with the fact that I assume he is going to pick up Quantity next idea group he will have one of the highest FL soon. For the moment, however, he has the third-highest FL, no Russia isn't number 2, he has Russia just beat, but only barely (Russia who also didn't pick up Quantity yet btw).
The only point of critique I have, is that you didn't do any culture conversions, should culture convert some of those pesky Iberians and Italians away. Who doesn't enjoys a bit of light genociding

### Mughals
You know that feeling when you are at your merc cap and you are losing money so you need to finish the war and make a big mistake? Well, get that shit out of here because chad Mughals has all his mercs hired and isn't even losing money. In fact, if you ignore the reinforcement cost he still makes a profit of 30 a month. Income is at 303 no longer the second highest in the world, still, it's huge. The war vs Bahmanis literally just ended I think, since he hasn't started coring yet. Fl of 256/372, keep in mind 150 of them are mercs. I see he took my advice and picked up Trade! (although tbh I said trade/inno and pretty sure that 90% of the players picked one of those 2), always good to have more money. You know what's definitely worth it? 35 forts, goddamnit. Its fort time baby!
One thing I am confused about though, how does he have negative prestige?

## A Tier
### Great Britain
You know what screams: I have too much money!. Using mercs to garrison your colonies. Can't be arsed to actually send some troops over? Just pay some nerds to garrison it for you. Those mercs must have the best life tbh, getting paid to hang around in Canada and Greenland, every now and then shoot some natives with your friends.
How to rate Great Britain though. Like his army is shit, he knows it, I know it, everybody knows it he is Great Britain. His navy though a sleek 100 heavies. He is using lights to steer trade from coromandel, bit confused why he didn't just go for the spice of Indonesia since there is more money and less trade power there but sure.
I like how all of England is properly deved and then there's [wales](https://gyazo.com/a2fbd3fd5ab20be52ff3d06a4d36c7c3) Yes I see that genociding, yes I approve! Now smart reading might say: but Krediax, he just expelled the minorities that's why it's gone. Well, where did they go then hu smart ass? No, I can't find welsh in the new world either now sit down you big dum dum.
Oh another important aspect of playing Great Britain: Monies! He makes 340 a month, with a profit of 160. 
PS: he picked up Naval, F every other navy.

### [Rum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImcvtJzIK8)
Hello, I'm blue. Hu ironically Rum is actually blue on the map. Anyhow...
195 income and 210/235 FL. Could make almost 80 profit if he disables some forts and lower maintenance. I don't know why he didn't jump on Greece while everybody was feasting on the corpse of the Papal States. Its good dev and upstream from Constantinople so you can lock down even more of that trade. 2.5k gold in reserve while he could still make some awesome manufactories (.56 workshop cough cough). You know that feeling when you are out of slots to accept cultures? Well, this man does not! he has 0/7 accepted cultures! Also, select a naval doctrine!

### Russia
Comrade, I bring a report from the east. Da comrade what did you see, will these savages join our glorious Russian empire? Well actually they seemed nice so we just allied them. I guess that also works! He even built a fort to keep his little buddy safe how nice.
Highest manpower recovery rate, this Russia is starting to do Russia things. The accepted cultures map mode is pretty damn red. [(Red? Russia is it time? Was it summoned?)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs) I'm happy to see that when I look at buildings there is actually some blue. Very cool! At his FL of 216. (see I told you it was lower than France). He picked up trade as his fourth idea, That 20% goods produced increase in all of Siberia is pretty nice. Oh wait, you don't have Quantity. Still, money is money and Quantity is prob going to be his next pick.
He has a 10% morale boost from mission ready for whenever.

### Aztecs
An American, relevant? What is this blasphemy. He is still doing his drilling empty units trick. This means he is up to 72 army professionalism right now. Caught up in tech and ideas. He was supposed to give a masterclass last session with some maths but he didn't. Now I still don't know what's better Political dynasties or republicanism reeee!
Income is at 254 and his FL is at 201. 120k manpower in debt but just like last week he has has a huge manpower pool on standby.
He enforced religion on his vassal but isn't using his missionaries to convert. Why though? He has built most of his manufactories and workshops (suddenly that 254 income makes sense right), he hasn't built any military infrastructure yet though. Still, this nation is ready for a war, I wonder who he will attack.

## B Tier

### Bengal
So much red when looking at manufactories. You really need that tech 14! Income went up to 162 and Fl is 150/185. He. Made. The. Vaishyas. Disloyal. Like. What. The. Fuck. Man. As an Indian you have like one job, keep them happy. Still, I like the country. But why did you lower it to B tier you might ask? Well, A tier was a bit crowded and B tier a bit empty. Bengal is atm weaker then al the nations in A tier so B tier he is. Whoever disagrees can ping Gasputin he made me do it.

### Bahmanis
Getting Subs from Russia to pay off his 20k debt. Now you might think that's a lot, but its about 25% of the total loans he can take.
Lost a lot in the wars vs Bengal and Mughals. (2x 100% right?) Still he has about equal dev to Ruthenia, that shows how strong this nation was, and still is!
He is using his merchants just to be a dick to Mughals, haha, I can respect that.
Income is at 160 and he is paying 44 of that in interest. He could bankruptcy but he won't, pretty sure he won't. Picked up quality as his fourth idea. He should be able to finish it before the next war starts, which will give him a nice 10% disc boost. He has to do Diplo with somebody because if nobody helps him Bengal and Mughals will just come back every 15 years, and each time he will be less likely to put up a good fight. Currently no manpower and 55/168 FL with a truce that lasts 5 years with Bengal and 11 years with Mughals.

### Ruthenia
Mr. I hope I'm A tier this week. Guess what? You are bottom B tier!
So, much, uncored land. Still though made good use of the peaceful session, mostly built barracks. It almost seems like he is preparing for war. It shows through max manpower of 190k Fl is relatively low at 115/152. Glad he finally gave his COTS to the burgers that should help a lot with this trade, although for the love of God I can't figure out why he is collecting in Krakow.

## C Tier

### Andalusia
Yikes, I keep putting my own nation lower and lower each session. Income (97) has hardly grown for the past 3 sessions now. Desperately needs a trade deal with either France or Great Britain since they both picked up trade. Income should get a boost next session, if it's not with a trade deal it's with the integration of the vassal (and its 3 gold mines!) Fl is 129/165. 

### Yuan
Finally embraced his Chinese roots and culture shifted to Wu culture. This means that all of China is now an accepted culture! He delayed stating stuff to make the culture swap easier (he didn't convert provinces just de-stated). Currently is gaining corruption because he hasn't stated stuff back for some reason. He is at 9 out of 26 states with 36 territories. If he just goes from top dev to lowest dev he gainst he would state another 650 dev. Sure he doesn't have the admin to core it but 50% is better then 75% autonomy (plus you get more free troops if you let the pretenders enforce), speaking of which please let the pretenders enforce. Your current army is 10/26/0. Way out of balance since you aren't a horde anymore. Disband the cav and let the pretenders enforce for a free more balanced army! Income is at 74 with 36/69 FL. 9 Techs behind and 15 ideas. 

### Malaya
Income is looking good at 160. The army is small at 36k but he doesn't care about the army. He is Great Britain Light. It just wants money and boats. He does have 55 heavies so that's pretty nice! I do wonder though, you are Hindu, you have Surya as a deity. But you still have shit rulers. It does not compute! Currently building those juicy spice manufactories so income should rise even further!

### Kilwa
Hold up. Your inflation is down! You bought it down, didn't you? F admin points I guess. Still, you are up to date with Admin tech, well close enough. Only really lagging behind in Diplo tech and that is in part to annexing his big ass vassal. (almost done though). Income is looking good at 117, FL is still low at 38/67. Prob due to all his money coming from trade and gold. He has the money to fix that though if he wanted, Or the money to make more money (at least use some money to pick a naval doctrine). His alliance with Mughals gives him some protection against Rum and Great Britain. 

### Netherlands
Sight glorious Dutch did a war crime. #free Wichita. It does mean he has near full control of Carribean, this brings with him a lot of money! He makes 97 ducats a month, with a virtually none existant army that means he makes a profit of 55 a month. Picked up Naval and maritime but currently doesn't have that big of a fleet (only 10 heavies). Is using that money to crank out the manufactories. He can still build a lot of good ones!

## D tier

### Portugal
Income is higher than the Netherlands at 104. Why did I put him lower then you wonder? Well, 55 of that is from gold. Meaning he doesn't have that much FL and Naval Forcelimit. Combine that with the fact that his navy is nonexistent and his army is barebone. I do like how he is using that gold to have 5 colonies at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if The Aztecs come knocking next session (he already has a claim on Portugal). Sure you are allied. But will that stand when he sees those modifiers in your gold mines? 

### Sweden
You allied Brunswick I see, very interesting. Is Mr. BitchBoi Growing up and thining about some good old freedom? Income is at 68. 17 of those are from subs. Finished innovative meaning he has 50% ICA. Pretty useful. Seems to also only be going infantry and good general he currently has enough FL for 2 infantry combat width stacks (60/61). I guess all that drilling really paid off in the general's department. Daddy France made him Orthodox. Pretty sure the only catholic nation left by now is the Pope, who ironically is an OPM whos one province is protestant.

### Makassar
Mr. Britain light light. Income is at 79, he has 11 heavies with full naval. I was looking for the 20% naval engagement policy but he doesn't have it. I only just now realized he went expansion, not exploration. Whelp me big dum dum. He should accept some cultures he is at 1/4 atm and there are 2 pretty big cultures that he hasn't accepted (Filipino and Moluccan). Hasn't picked his fourth idea group, based on your previous idea picks ups I would say quality for the trade efficiency and naval boosts. (It's better to pick religious and just never put any points into it if you have it open, for the events that can trigger)

### Japan
Japan is here! Hype! He also went for Japanese ideas, which I think is probably a good choice (although i admit I can't fully remember them). Income is still struggling at only 64. But you know what can you do, except building workshops in all the provinces! Except for Eyak. Fuck that province they don't deserve a workshop am I right. 60/74 FL.
Currently killing Yuan rebels, even though I think Yuan should just let them enforce to get the free army. 


### Georgia
TIL that the accepted culture map mode shows orange if you are culture converting a province. The more you know. And yes he is culture converting to Romanian! Gotta join the R gang! Income is at 60, FL is at 59/67. His PP went up during the session meaning his Fort defense is now at 54%! Without terrain and edicts. Is it higher than the Livonian order though?

### Livonian Order
Speaking of Livonian order look whos is next? What a surprise! Income is slightly lower than the sudwall at 52. The madlad went Espionage, ESPIONAGE IN MP?!?!?! Now you might wonder why he did that, well the answer is pretty simple. Fort defense! Currently, his fort defense is at 52. He has a policy that can give it another 10% and with espionage finished that will be another 10% for defense policy. He isn't converting for some reason.

## E Tier

### Frisian Mexico
[So I took a little poll.](https://gyazo.com/760b8246726a487e1f58882601019bff). Distinct even said no estates. You know what nobody said? Clergy! You know what Sous did? [Clergy! ](https://gyazo.com/cba3ad409b3407902e79aa62264ba29c) Smh my head. 
His income nearly doubled this session to 42! (yes he is that poor) It's going to be like 60 years before he can even start integrating his vassal haha. That's rough. He cockblocked his vassal Friesland from expanding any further. FL is still surprisingly high at 50/88. He has some decent manufactories to build maybe he should ask his overlord for some monies! Lagging a bit in tech but at least he has 28 ideas, including eco so he can start some deving soon maybe? Also secret info, I have heard he will actually form Texas soon, like withing 3 sessions. Hype!

### Brunei
Brunei made sure he helped his ally in the glorious conquest of the Incas. He even singlehanded won the war for the Mughals which his condottieri. Is behind in tech, which actually is crucial because he isn't Diplo tech 15 yet, meaning no galleons for you. He has 45 heavies but they are all still carracks. Income is at 40 so upgrading them is also going to take some time. (cough cough free  merchants cough cough). Cape Verde is still occupied by catholic rebels lol 100 devastation yikes.

### Thirteen Colonies
Brrrrkkk decided not to exile I guess. He is playing the thirteen colonies now! The first thing he did was break a rule, the second thing he did was trying to get land all over the world. The third thing he did was threatening people. Lol, I love this dude, even though his rule break gave me work. Income is at 36, FL is at 28/31. I honestly have no clue what he is going to do as the thirteen colonies. Fixing this nation idea wise is going to put him behind soo much. The no CB on Denmark cost him 2 stab, as a republic. 







