# Session 8 tier list Before: ![](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543591586265563174/721810647591157860/eu4_map_WCR_1608_04_05_1.png) After: ![](https://i.imgur.com/XIHQMCY.png) ## Herr gamer ### The whole session Imagine playing a war game and not warring. Yes I know I also didn't war but that's not the point you are supposed to go to war for the mods pleasure. ### Hungarian oopsie Imagine being Hungary. Having eco finished for that sweet dev cost and the nice 5% disc quality. Now imagine you are the same Hungary who suddenly doesn't have it anymore. Probably accidentally abandoned it which is a real herr gamer moment. ## A tier ### Shanxi Riches boiii in the world. Making 486 ducats a month. Combine that with the highest max manpower (636k) and recovery 5k a month makes him top dog right now. FL is 526. Still has a decent chunk to develop as well including some farmlands but that should not take long. The only downside is that he has Chinese units which will be bad for the rest of the game. ### Nepal Mr #2. Second highest in all regards; 452 income, 544 max manpower but equal manpower recovery at 5k a month (to be exact he recruits 60 more babies a month). When court and country end he will have the highest income. Currently 1 absolutism off from the best court and county result but he said he was on it. Has better units than his neighbor until tech 26 wink wink hint hint. Also, you have 75 more FL. Didn't build a lot of unis yet which is surprising, then again he did had to pay off 20 corruption from switching his government reforms I'm guessing. In a 1v1 vs Shanxi, Nepal will have more troops and better quality; but pushing will be hard for either side. Then again Shanxi could declare for Khmer wink wink hint hint. ## B tier ### Russia Mother Russia doesn't have the highest manpower but it's still closer to the top 2 then number 4. 401k max manpower (with 402k in the bank what is this magic) Income at 214 and I'm guessing you recently embraced global trade since you have an unused merchant. Still has the 6/6 general from the mission ready when needed which is pretty big. Fl is at 387. Which means he's third strongest in the world by a big margin. One idea off from finishing trade which is going to be huge for your income! You know let's run a little test see how much you make when you finish it. Income goes up to 272 which is pretty good. ### Tondo Tondo? B tier? but he only has 85k max manpower. Why yes dear readers but who cares he has 7.05 naval morale with 155 heavies. Combine that with 380 income he's in a really strong spot. The only potential rival on the sea is Kono. Also, Tondo still has the grand fleet mission available for additional 10% morale. Also, stealing 68 ducats from Europe because why not? ## Europe tier Basically between b and c tier but jezus these guys are pretty much all the same haha. ### Brandenburg Backup Prussia is going strong! A bit above the manpower cure in Europe at 245k with 2.65k recovery. FL is 188 without quantity finished so when that finished he will be strong considering he has Prussian ideas as well. Income is the germans problem tough while 164 income is on par with the Norwegians there are just more of them. Compared to the Norwegians though he's much better built up. ### Great Britain 171 income Great Britain; I wonder if Tondo has anything to do with this (sees 191 Tondo ships in the English channel). Normally I don't look at a GB its army but since its army GB I will! 200k max manpower which put him on par with the rest of Europe. 173 FL is a bit low but he has built no military buildings at all yet. If he built all of those he will prob hit 300k manpower and around 280 FL. But where will he find the money? Tondo is taking it all. Please fix [This](https://i.imgur.com/kLJWHc4.png) that's just ugly borders ### Hungary This man likes to live dangerously. forts mothballed on the border with Prussia. Considering this nation has been at war for 180 or so years the build-up is pretty good. 209k max manpower and 2k recovery its the European norm. Income is at 156 and that includes subs from Shanxi? @holo explain thou self. Norwegian hugboxing smh my head. Fl is 198 so that's pretty decent considering he hasn't picked his 5th idea group yet (spoilers is going to be offensive) ### Prussia 191k I swear to god all of Europe (excluding Russia) is so close to each other. 91 income makes Prussia poor tough. Also, bruh do you even metropolitan? You can metropolitan 10 states for an easy 50 PA. It gives you 20k more max manpower as well. Being poor means no manus and no military infrastructure. Only European that didn't give Denmark his land back. Fl is at 128 without quantity finished. Also because its slaying time to find something minor to nitpick... ah found it! Imagine not having the trade edict on in your capital, also collecting in Krakow gives you a whole extra ducat a month! ### France You know Hungary having 2 forts mothballed on Prussia border isn't good enough for me; I'm going to mothball 4 forts near the Brandenburg border that's the real chad move! Oke now let's look at the stats: European? yes. Oke so around 200k max manpower and 150 income right? fuck it I'm making a chart. ### Europe | Nation| Max Manpower | Recovery | Income | | -------- | -------- | -------- | ------- | | Great Britain | 200k | 2.1k | 171 | |Brandenburg| 245k | 2.6k | 164 | |Hungary|209k | 2k | 156| |France|196k| 2.1k |131| |Tuscany|180k | 1.7k | **90** | |Prussia|191k| 2k | **92**| Like @Holo @Purple @Kathal give Prussia and Tuscany some subs and they are all interchangeable with each other. ## C tier ### Cree Cree, c tier? get it? No oke carry on citizen. 127 dev btw. ### Punjab Basically the same level as the Europeans but I can't put him in European tier now can I? 277k max manpower and 2.7k recovery makes him a bit above the Europeans even considering he also has no buildings built. (seriously stop drilling and build buildings man). Taking the trade from Ajam also gives you another 20 or so ducats. Ideas look good and decided to make some modern art together with Russia in what used to be Transoxiana. ### Kono Weak army wise. But damn strong naval wise. 6.5 naval morale and 140 heavies. 205 income means he can sustain them as well. Put it here because it is a bit weaker then Tondo but nr2 naval power. ### Tuscany Yes, I put Tuscany in the C tier. No, you can't stop me. I know all the Europeans are pretty much the same but Tuscany's income is a bit lacking so I put them a bit lower. it's equal to the rest in every other regard tough 138 FL and being AI made it lag behind a bit. ### Aztecs 92k max manpower is low considering he is poking into Europe RN. As long as they are divided he's fine but if they decide to turn on your yikes. 1k recovery and 133 FL. The thing the Americans have more of then Europe is monies tough. Aztecs are making 220 a month with 62 of that coming from gold(but no buildings reee). The unorthodox idea set to pick up in defensive - eco - quantity - trade. But if it works it works. (spoilers it doesn't you have no military policies bruh) Also yes I see Iberia, no I dont want to talk about it. ### Rajputana 108k max manpower with 1k recovery. It looks big and scary but it might lack a bit of bite. Income is at 142 decentish, take Fars its trade power and collect in Hormuz tough. Idea wise he picked defensive 4th meaning he is lacking some FL (120) and manpower. ## D tier ### Mamluks O. M. G. this nation was so well played the last session. Went reformed which is interesting to say at least but why not. Behind in tech and ideas but waiting for institutions to fix at least one part of that. low manpower at 65k tough with 714 recovery. 173 Income thanks to getting some subs from Tondo. without the income would be 130. ### Mali 176 income and is slowly creeping into Iberia. With only 62k manpower and 100 recovery (hold up 100 yes 100 dear readers he's in a bankruptcy). Built a lot of manus and workshops but no military infrastructure yet. Dropped exploration to pick up a more meta idea set but it does mean he's behind in ideas now. ### Korea Let America reform of of him and he got a pretty sweet gold mine in return. His income because of it is at 121 a month which isnt that bad but it is compared to his neighbours. His army also isnt good with 59k max manpower and 111 FL. ### Denmark 102 income, went naval and is going maritime so should be good as long as nobody can tough him land wise? What's that there's a huge ass tumor called Prussian Swedish in your land yikes. Admin policy is free btw do it more monies. To be fair he was AI and joined after the break I think. He's been slowly buying his land back haha. ### Kongo In the middle of bankruptcy building because allied with all its neighbors. risky tough. Income is pretty low at 97 and manpower is at 69k with 531 recovery. Picked up exploration and got brazil out of it but it does mean his army is a bit worse then you would expect. ### Cocomos Don't look at Peru, if you don't look at Peru cant hurt you... shit I looked at [Peru](https://i.imgur.com/zysZrg0.jpg). 61k manpower, 124 income, and 485 babies recruited each month. It's not strong. Behind on tech and ideas. Didn't built anything yet. It's not looking good. ### Nestle I want a KitKat, anybody else wants a KitKat? 66.6 income (.....) 60k max manpower 662 Blood for the blood gods volunteer each month. Wait what mad lad picked up naval ideas... interesting... very interesting... Also, it owns shit in Iberia as well because why not. ## E tier ### Norway Naval, maritime and Norwegian ideas. Oke oke you do you, my man. Income is at 50 so that's to low to sustain a good navy. Wait what he's a pirate as well... ohw boi I hate pirates so now I hate you; nothing personnel kid. ### Maldives phew finally I don't have to deal with Norwegian pirates anymore; what's the next nation? The Maldives.. the pirates... FUCK. Poor at 55 income went naval maritime ofc because gotta be pirates. 34 heavies mean he can beat European navies but if tondo or Kono comes knocking you don't stand a chance. Next tech is new boats btw (for all naval bois) ### Oirat I totally did not forget about you. 36 income 11 of that from gold hmmm that must mean you get a decent amount of inflation right? .15 a year i guess thats oke WAIT WTF YOU HAVE 63 INFLATION wtf dude!. ### Haida Lost a bit vs Salish when he was AI but still has equal income at 31 and more ideas 25 vs 5. could come back and prob win. ### Salish And they call California the golden state ha! There is no gold here, income because of that is only 27. Took a bite out of Haida seems to want to consolidate the west coast? Also 5 ideas? bruh. ### Texas I have a riddle for you guys? Who is a Redneck, Nahuatl, Siberian and Chinese tech? it's not a hard riddle considering I'm writing it under Texas but... 19 income 30k manpower behind on tech and ideas but a good meme tough. ### Iroquis Poor, no manpower, and no FL. I dunno man seems like if anybody wants to kill you they could. ## F tier ### Transoxiana Long may they be remembered. ### Qara Qoyunlu Long may they be remembered.