# Session 6 Tier list Before ![](https://i.imgur.com/xlJQiIz.png) After ![](https://i.imgur.com/W2ihTyQ.png) ## HerrGamer moment: ### Hungarian misclick Imagine the setting, you a small Hungarian boy wake up one morning. You hear the town crier yell out: My Soldiers are spent. My fort line has ended. Ottomans has deserted us. Noohac's betrayed me. Abandon your posts! Flee, flee for your lives!. But luckily there was one man, called Holo that rallied the troops. He made a desperate last stand and it happened, the ~~rohirriam~~ Turks arrived! The armies of ~~Mordor~~ Ruthenia and their devilish allies of ~~Rhûn~~ Prussia were beaten back and you are ready to push back to ~~osgiliath~~ the fort line and maybe even ~~the black gates~~ Warshaw. But then a loan pops up and you press enter.... and suddenly the war ended and you lost 2 provinces. [BECAUSE YOU ACCEPTED THE PEACE DEAL THAT WAS OPEN WHEN YOU PRESSED ENTER.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMLNDCiLbgM) ### ## NL Tier Wilhelmus van Nassouwe ben ik, van Duitsen bloed, den vaderland getrouwe blijf ik tot in den dood. Een Prinse van Oranje ben ik, vrij, onverveerd, den Koning van Hispanje heb ik altijd geëerd. ### Netherlands The best nation in the world. He totally did not bribe me at all. The highest income in the world get rekt nerd bois. Coolest flag in the world and coolest color. Like cmon rest of the world? Are you even trying? You know he could totally rofl stomp the world if he actually tried with that income but he decided to give you all a chance. Generous of him tbh he is giving people money simply because he is such a nice guy. Personally, if I had to describe digio in one word it would be: AWESOME. ## S tier ### Ruthenia Nearly back to his max manpower of 582k after WW1. with 5k recovery a month that sure refills quick. Still 20k in debt from the war, but that's only 20% of his max loans. The biggest loss from him is that he used his 10% morale and 15% manpower recovery mission for the last war which ended up without a clear winner. So round 2 is bound to happen. 256 income and 302/429 FL means this nation can field around 1.2 million troops right now. ### Ottomans Sure he send all his troops but considering he barely has any loans prob didn't go max mercs. Still, this Ottoman can rival Ruthenia and didn't lose anything in the war. 256 income, 391k max manpower, and 4,6k recovery. The difference in max manpower being the 25% from polish NIs and 20% from tsardom (although to be fair ottomans have 20% recovery). 409/469 FL. Clearly, the only nation that can rival Ruthenia. If either of them falls the other will be near unstoppable. ## A tier ### Hungary a 1/1/6 ruler means he is lagging in admin, which is a problem since tech 14 was the next idea group where you want to pick up innovative. So it is really hurting him. He went admin focus to try to offset. 156 income 250k max manpower and 2.7k recovery. A lot weaker than his neighbors but not a pushover. 150/176 FL. Low, mainly because he hasn't started building his regimental camps. Which he definitely should. 15k in debt, which is about 1/3 of his max loans. 5/0/6 heir might be just what he needs. Nine more years before you can abdicate. ### ~~Timurids~~ Mughals 180 income 164k max manpower with 1.8k recovery. Making it one of the top nations but still miles behind whats above. Not sure if Mughals was the best formable for him but at least he fixed his cultures by doing this. To get his morale missions he needs to get land from Vijayanagar. Oh god oh fuck I just looked at buildings. He has 4 manufactories (pretty sure he stole them from Punjab) hardly any workshops and all the military buildings are in former Punjab lands. Smh slaying what did you do with your money the whole game? I also wouldn't state 80 dev Sirhind that 6dev sind Sagar is valuable to have stated man! 91/215 FL. ### Vijayanagar 300 Income makes him the riches boi in all the lands. 6/6/6 Surya heir, very cool. Max manpower is 197k with 1.8k recovery. The army is surprisingly small tough 111/137. But being Vijayanagar and having money means he can hire 80 mercs. Lots of good workshops not yet build. At max admin points and no military advisor. Seems like the player stepped out to take a quick piss and then the game ended. Could consider dropping exploration now and picking up innovative (have Kongo and Kilwa colonize for you, on that note give Kilwa some subs). ## B tier ### Hannover 124 income, and 108k max manpower (with 1,1k recovery). Contemplated putting him higher. The stats wouldn't deserve that but that's partly because he didn't pick up quantity. Picking up quanity would increase his manpower to 157k and 1.6k recovery. Similar to Mughals and Vijayanagar, his FL would jump from 132 to 188. The biggest problem Hannover has right now is that it needs land. He is allied with Bohemia which would be the easiest route of expansion. So that kinda only leaves France open which is allied to Hungary tough. Sat out the last big war in Europe. ### Prussia 120 discipline right now, but make no mistake when war happens he can easily go to 135%. If the then is lucky with this disc event he could get up to 145. With a lot of morale as well this is no joke. The only thing that is holding him back right now is his 98 income and low manpower (103k max and 1,1k recovery). Although that has the same reason as Hannover above, he didn't go quantity. Another problem is that he lacks an arti CW atm. Although as long as Ruthenia helps him and he can use his he is covered. ### Great Britain Always hard to judge a Great Britain since it doesn't care about its army that much. 142 income low manpower. Finished naval, hasn't selected wooden wall yet though, that's now pretty expensive. 35 heavies and retook the Caribbean from the pirate's last session. One of the pirates even helped him (Iceland), which means that new providence is now pretty dead, Chactamal is bleeding. 35 heavies are the most in the world right now but only barely (Brunei has 31) Although quality should be enough to win. ### Bengal 134 income is pretty decent. The reason I'm putting him this low is his manpower. I might overvalue manpower but 74k max and 612 recovery are low, obviously, he also went Offensive so that explains it partly. Another big factor is that a lot of his land isn't fully cored so his average autonomy is pretty high at 33.3%. A session just building manus and deving, culture converting and deving and you will shoot up a lot. At 46% Nepalese if he destates the uncored stuff, so close. (are you being a chad and also going Telugu next?) ## C tier ### France 111 income, only 84k max manpower and 846 recovery. Luckily he has the best religion for naval morale so that's something! (reformed). 6k in debt and normally that would mean he is about 18% towards bankruptcy, however since he is giving his trade to Netherlands (for subs obviously) he can only take 18 more loans, which equals around 10k. Not a lot. Frenemies with Britanny who is his best route of expansion. Then again just dev your land man smh. ### Sweden 76 income 108k max manpower and 1.4k recovery. Needs a lot more built up. I saw some familiar template names haha. ![](https://i.imgur.com/JYb36ks.png) Only has 12% trade power in the baltic, needs to upgrade his COTs. Steal trade from Novgorod, and then collect in the white sea instead of Lubeck. It is an easy 10 extra ducats. ### Oirat 42 income, still hasn't eaten china, do you even horde bro? It seems to be putting the final nail in the coffin of Japan. Who knows what will happen though. Behind in tech and 15 ideas. One idea left to finish espionage which will give him an extra 20 CCA for a total of 50. 1/3 to bankruptcy. 82k max manpower and 700 recovery. Might as well do a bankruptcy built now because you need to do something. No buildings built. ### Ethiopia 78 income, 52k max manpower and 450 recovery. Donates a lot of money to the contests but has only built a single manufactory. Should build up his nation, by a lot. Upgrade your COTS to lvl 2 as well for some more easy monies. ### Brunei Making 102 a month and has 2.7k in the bank. Enough to embrace the institution when he wants to. Also a naval nation, he has 31 heavies which are a bit less than GBR and he has lower quality. Still together with Taiwan, they should be safe for now. ### Inca 92 income thanks to the gold! Low manpower and not great tech. Should prob drop exploration and pick up something like quantity. It might be time to pop the high-income mission and spam the shit out of those manufactories. Attacking the popes CN is also free land. Currently has 6 colonies with 3 colonists. Scale that back to 4 and you can use that extra income to build up your nation. ## D tier ### Ayutthaya 62 income 60k max manpower and 444 recovery. It seems to have cleared the rebels from the last session and has a decent army. Should collect in Siam unless he has a deal with Brunei but he isn't getting any subsidies. The split on Malaya remains weird IMO. Lower maintenance, make money, make buildings, make more money built more buildings etc etc. ### Japan Hard to judge how strong this nation is since it is partly occupied high WE and blockaded everywhere. At least it has some ideas tough at 17 meaning his troops are way better than those who he is fighting. Can prob keep fighting for like 8-9 more years, they won't be able to reach 99 warscore anyway and they cant push you. Make them suffer 20 WE unless they stab hit you. Which is obviously a win. You need somebody to help you tough and you are allied to GBR hint hint cough cough. ## E tier ### Iceland 50 income even after he got a 10 dev gold mine by stabbing his once ally. Has troops on the border and no truce so seems like its time for round 2? If he goes to 1 stab internal conflicts won't happen. But he's a pirate with 0 RT so that would cost 341. Not sure if internal conflicts end when they occupy your capital and give you free stab (IIRC they did, this was the disaster you had in MJL right?). 10 heavies with naval and maritime. Certainly has the quality, maybe even on GBR but lacks the volume so he is weak to invasion atm. although he worked together with GBR and Netherlands to kill Mexico so who knows. ### Songhai Got a regency just before he was going to declare war, that sucks a lot. It's going to be 6 years until the regency is done yikes. 40 inflation and 5k in debt. Income is at 46. Even trying a bankruptcy buildup won't result in that many buildings for him. Needs money and needs it fast to start fixing the nation. ### Yunnan 40 income is low. Should bite the bullet and revoke the march from Belgium so you can integrate him in 10 years. In the Japanese war for a reason; send more troops over then Oirat did. If you don't have the points to invest in the next idea group just select religious and don't put points in it. It has the best random events! Getting out of this war and lowering autonomy in the province you are using to go Hindu would speed it up a lot. ### Britanny 41 income. 27 Inflation is a big yikes. Lost Britanny proper not sure if that was supposed to happen but it's french now. It should really try to be Castillian culture and form Spain. As Tlemcen as a vassal who has cores on the pope, hint hint cough cough. Had to purge the burgers to avoid them couping which is sad. 42k max manpower and 500 recovery. He even has quantity to its not good at all. Still behind in tech and ideas but less than last session IIRC. ### Provence 41 income and going in bankruptcy soon. waiting on his cores to finish I guess. His morale is pretty decent. But with 52k max manpower and 500 recoveries and 28/55 FL it just isn't very strong. No dip advisor even though he's going bankrupt in 2 years anyway? 28/55 FL Should be enough to beat the rebels while he is in bankruptcy. ### Date Finally exiled properly and is growing like crazy! 30 income right now and running 4 colonies at the same time. 2 gold mines means he has a good income base but he does need to stop being so reliant on gold asap else his inflation will just keep g oing up. Cant pick a tier 5 without losing his Imdependent daimyo eventough he cant pick all of them because he is an independent daimyo, picking any of them that arnt locked because he is an independent daimyo,makes him lose his independent daimyo, independent daimyo. ## F tier ### Thirteen colonies Grew a lot last session by eating most of the natives. Behind in tech and ideas. 23 income. Get lvl 1 advisor and make GBR pay for them! ### Dutch Brazil At least give him a cool name @digio. Hasn't built manus which benefits his overlord the most. Up to date on tech tough, already has expansion complete and is now going to exploration; not sure about that personally but you do you. 18 income but 3 of that is going to his overlord because he doesn't get his gold income. ### Papal states Pure agony lol. Income is at 14.5 partly because Rome is occupied by AI Naples. Hell Naples is even invading Argentina lol. 11 ideas. all wrong religion land. If I was Songhai i would attack him, if I was Inca I would attack him if I was Hungary I would attack him basically I would just try to put it out of his misery. Whoever kills him just make morocco a vassal.