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NZ Carpentries Community Call
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- **Date:** May 26, 2020 12:00 - 1:00 PM NZST
- **Agenda**
1. Icebreaker `5min`
2. Welcome and intros`15min`
4. Executive Council update from Paula `5min`
5. Today's topics `5min`
6. Breakouts `10min`
7. Sharing `10min`

- **Hosts:** 
- Megan Guidry <megan.guidry@nesi.org.nz>
- Dharani Sontam


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📝 Attendees 
- Jing Wang, ESR, jing.wang@esr.cri.nz
- Megan Guidry, NeSI, megan.guidry@nesi.org.nz
- Amanda Curnow, Massey University, a.l.curnow@massey.ac.nz
- Richard Dean, ESR, richard.dean@esr.cri.nz
- Sue Cook, CSIRO, Australia. sue.cook@csiro.au
- François Bissey, University of Canterbury, francois.bissey@canterbury.ac.nz
- Bridget Armstrong, ESR, bridget.armstrong@cri.esr.nz
- Shane Sturrock, ESR, shane.sturrock@esr.cri.nz
- Linley Jesson, Plant and Food Research, linley.jesson@plantandfood.co.nz
- Carmen Astudillo-Garcia, University of Auckland, c.astudillo@auckland.ac.nz
- Matt Bixley, U Otago, matt.bixley@otago.ac.nz
- Ines Moran, University of Auckland, imor384@aucklanduni.ac.nz
- Emma Voss, University of Waikato, voss_emma@yahoo.co.nz
- Murray Cadzow, University of Otago, murray.cadzow@otago.ac.nz
- Paula Andrea Martinez, University of Queensland, National Imaging Facility
- Alice Fage, Victoria University of Wellington, alice.fage@vuw.ac.nz
- William Schierding, University of Auckland, w.schierding@auckland.ac.nz
- Waqar Aziz, University of Otago Wellington, waqaraziz123@gmail.com
- Eirian Perkins, University of Auckland, eirian.perkins@auckland.ac.nz
- Matt Plummer, matt.plummer@vuw.ac.nz
- Arindam Basu, University of Canterbury, arin_basu@pm.me, @arinbasu
- Michael Hoggard, University of Auckland, michael.hoggard@auckland.ac.nz
- Kate Stevenson, ESR, kate.stevenson@esr.cri.nz
- Jonah Duckles, AbacusBio, jduckles@abacusbio.co.nz
- Ngoni Faya, Genomics Aotearoa, ngoni.faya@otago.ac.nz


🔥 Icebreaker 
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- ⬇ What do you hate about videoconferencing? ⬇
- Too many people, difficult to talk
- The noise of the fans on my laptop as these calls make the CPUs max out
- too many meetings
- They are just awesome!Love them!
- I have poor quality internet
- Hearing Impaired, so I am often unable to pick up words and miss context
- If there are too many people I get confused by who to look at, and when to talk
- No free biscuits / lunch+1
- I get all my emails when I'm on Zoom. I don't like everything buzzing and shaking when I'm on!
- It used to be a pain to setup but in the last year they have been good. I can even do most of them from Linux.
- People talking over one another
- People not muting themselves once in the meeting especially when there are lots of attendees
- Having to look at variety of people at once. 
- zoom client constantly changing.
- Having to focus my eyes on the screen for several hours without a break.
- Shaking hands, hugs, just being present with people.
- Earthquakes?


:wave: Introductions
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- Hello from your hosts!
- Please say your name, something you'd like to discuss of takeaway from today's call, and then nominate someone else to introduce themself. 


👩 Executive Council update from Paula
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### Questions or feedback for Paula
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:closed_book: Topics
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1. Write a topic or prompt you want to discuss below. 
2. Write your name underneath the discussion topic you want to chat about (this will help me assign you to breakout rooms)

***Note:* If you suggest a topic you are volunteering to be the unofficial facilitator for the breakout room where this topic is discussed.**
### Topics for breakout sessions:

2) Let's create a community/chat/page where we know who is doing what, where and when (in terms of running workshops)?
    - Ngoni Faya
    - Waqar Aziz
    - William Schierding
    - Linley Jesson
    - Mike Hoggard
    - Carmen Astudillo
    - Emma Voss
    - Richard Dean

NZ Data Science slack channel (sharing events)
Calendar to see what other are doing to avoid clashes (Hackpad type link - hackpad for helpers to sign on to help run the workshops.) Possibly something outside slack to allow anyone to see what's going on. GitHub, Etherpad or something.


3) Additional ways to do instructor check out? Proposal for Carpentries: fix up a pull request an author has abandoned. I notice a lot of PRs are up from a year ago on some intro repos with good suggestions. But no one has bothered to respond to change requests or merge conflicts. Fixing up existing PRs is a good way to contribute, and would be a good way to onboard new instructors.
   #### see notes in "notes" section below
   - Bridget Armstrong
   - kate stevenson
   - Eirian Perkins
   - François Bissey
   - Amanda Curnow
   - Alice Fage
 
 
   
4) Making workshops more equitable -- in the classroom the stickes are meant to be red/green. blue/yellow would be friendlier for colourblind participants. Perhaps there are better ways to make online sessions more equitable for hard of hearing participants.

5) What did you learn from moving your training online due to Covid-19 lockdown?
    - Shane Sturrock
    - Jonah Duckles 
    - Matt Plummer
    - Jing Wang
    - Sue Cook
    - Dharani Sontam
    - Ines Moran
    - Arindam Basu
 
 Notes:
 Dharani noted increase in uptake of data management workshops, run weekly over the lockdown period. 
 
 Shane: difficulty in helping people in an online context - how can you see what the problems of a particular user are if you can't easily see the screen.

Possible solution - copy and pasting errors into a shared etherpad

## Notes :notebook:
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Eirian -- I'm interested in the online git workshop, not until July though!

NZ Data Science Slack sign up: https://nzdatascience-signup.herokuapp.com

3) checkout process
- can we get more value out of checkout process
- what about maintainers? is there a way to improve process (merging PRs, are repos getting stale?)
- can participants help with the merge process, be an assistant to maintainers?
- issues:
    - PRs are idle (feedback to participants trying to add value)
    - feedback to Carpentries head office is lagging
- how to make this more timely?
- a lot of comments like, "that's a great idea and it can be fixed," but don't tend to see fixes applied
- #### summary:
    - There are two issues here: the pull requests themselves laying idle and feedback to carpentries head office and/or people who volunteered the PR; hard to tell if the PR has had a response or comment.


## Positive: It was great to see and meet so many people
Something to improve: maybe longer discussions? time flies!

## One thing you enjoyed today
- getting connected with NZ people
- Meeting everyone
- Meeting so many lovely people
- Good to see everyone
- Good to see everyone and learned more about cartpentries
- hackpad
- Making new connections
- Seeing everyone faces again!
- I like this hackpad!
- Really liked seeing new faces! 
- Getting to meet people who have a common interest
- Meeting everyone and only issue was time. 
- I enjoyed joining the community and contributing to ideas
- Getting to know people.
- Nice to see all the new instructors
- Seeing everyone again. 
- Getting to know the ppl in the community and know whom to approach with questions

## One thing that could be improved today
- this was well run compared to the last community call I was on. Well done. There were a lot of people so I didn't feel like we could do good intros, maybe fewer next time.
- may have been too many people for the time
- Not enough time compared to the number of people +1
- Encourage more brief introductions when so many attending
- One suggestion is to cap number of people - For time as well as to prevent my internet from keeling over :)
- Move introductions to text prompts. +1 +1
- breakouts sooner, maybe move intros to the breakouts so that we get to know people better, even if it isnt everyone +1
- Perhaps fewer people?

- Links:
- checkout@carpentries.org
- https://carpentries.github.io/instructor-training/checkout/