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# TPS Team Meeting | 12 April 2023

Time: 1:30 - 2:30 

1.30 - 1.55 - SL Pres + questions
1.55 - 2.08 - Breakouts (3 per room) discuss: 
2.08 - 2.25 - Group discussion (feedback from breakouts)
2.25 - 2.30 - Final thoughts / next steps

Room: No room booked in Turing office `please replace if this is not true!`

Zoom: 

### TPS team members

* Aida (maternity leave Mar 2023 - Feb 2024)
* Alden
* Alex
* Anne
* Arielle
* Arron
* Bastian
* Batool
* Chris
* Cami
* Dave
* David
* Eirini
* Emma
* Gabin
* Georgia
* Giulia
* Hari
* Jennifer
* Kirstie
* Malvika
* Priscilla
* Shakir
* Sophia
* Victoria K
* Vicky H

## Attendees

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* Malvika :label: 
* Jen :cheese_wedge: 
* Georgia :dog2: 
* Batool :trolleybus:
* Hari :surfer: 
* Anne :sunflower: 
* Arielle :white_flower: 
* Arron :wind_blowing_face: 
* Alex :dolphin: 
* Cami 🧩
* David :aries: 
* Chris 🧩
* Vicky :coat: 
* Kirstie :chocolate_bar: 
* Gabin :sun_with_face: 
* Dave :8ball: 

### Questions to about AIStandards

* Favourite workshop: a workshop developed for the Transport industry, it was interesting to heard their challenges and opportunities. 
* Standards across different kinds of stakeholder groups
* Curious what you meant by folks being excluded from the standards development process: can you give a few examples of who and why?

### Notes

![](https://i.imgur.com/1W2Dhvi.png)

*Slide from Shakir's talk explaining some of the language of technical standards*

### Breakout discussion

* Do you think technical standards have a role to play in TPS?
    * if Yes, please elaborate how? e.g., could they fulfill a specific project requirement
    * if No, what are the main challenges or obstacles you envisage?


* Breakout group 1 VH CB SL
    * VH standards may be useful due to them being regimented- help with showing TPS preciseness 
    * VH when to use standrds in a project life cycle 
    * CB standards have a role to play in TPS but TPS can inform standards - standards can be exclusionary - standards do not align with TPS thinking
    * SL- Turing Way can be considered a sort of standard
        * e.g. shared metrics 
* Breakout group 2 GA HS DC AB
    * The criteria for doing something well and ethically is really important for TPS.
    * Participatory practices vs deliberative practices - is there a one size fits all to what a 'standard' would like?
    * Dynamics of hard criteria vs. softer more contextual guidlines
    * Could be an excellent incentive to give credibilty, but could also encourage compliance without engagement - need to actually think though specificities of project and take ownership
    * You can be superficially compliant without fully following your own commitments
    * If these aren't free for everybody, is there inequity of access? - can get stuck in payment loop for standards
    * We would want to argue for open stanards, feely accessible and reusble and pupblished under CC-BY
        * A lot being developed at the moment aren't
    * Who is writing the standards? It matters who is involved and what the process of producution is
    * What are the credentials needed? 
    * Huge cultural change discussion to be had - could this be part of the AI Standards Hub work? 
    * Potential oppportunity to weild standards, but might not happen in practice
    * Some space for standards, but the way it's currently set up is not that comptabile with open, reproducible research
    * Point of hub is to compare different standards, get an overview of what already exists. How do you assess what's already out there?
    * How do you avoid repeating work/creating more standards where they already exist
    * Would creating standards lead to an 'iron-rod' approach to open - "I do open better than you so here's how you should be doing it"


* Breakout group 3 AL DS A-LS
    * How can you bring domain knowledge together to be greater than the sum of it's parts? What do stakeholders *need* to know for them to be empowered to contribute?
* Breakout group 4
* Breakout group 5
* Breakout group 6
* Breakout group 7
* Breakout room X 
    * Batool, Cami, Alexandra and Kirstie
    * Do you think technical standards have a role to play in TPS?
        * Educating all stakeholders about the standards
        * incentives to align with the standard.
        * Standards help ensure compliance with regulations and promote interoperability and compatibility between different systems. However, the adoption of standards can be challenging, particularly for civil society, which is the least engaged stakeholder. Industry has a high incentive to adopt standards, while policymakers and regulators are somewhat incentivized to engage the public. Academics are also stakeholders in the standards development process, but their role is(maybe) not clearly defined. The conversation also touches on the challenges of incentivizing alignment with standards and the need for education and collaboration to develop the right standards that are fair and equitable for all stakeholders.