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# Prop 257: a few words from your fellow amigos

[Prop 257](https://nouns.wtf/vote/257) is our first on-chain proposal, and Ale and I feel grateful for all the nouners and delegates that supported our proposal. We thank you all for your nice words, feedback, concerns, and questions.

We feel the right thing to do is to address all your comments poured on-chain along with your votes.

We'll leave below a note to everyone who left a comment. Our responses appear quoted.

## Prop 257 comments

**noun12.eth**
Good feedback on it, good focus, good execution, let's see what a year of Nouns Fairs at EF and ETH Global events accomplishes.

> We'll do our best to bring a delightful experience and a new wave of builders aboard. Thanks for supporting us, Noun 12!

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**vote.noun40.eth** 
love this. I like the focus around a specific vertical of events and that they’ve already shownm success in this category. ask seems reasonable as well. best of luck!

> We work hard to make these events worthy and spark the nounish vibe in new builders. Thank you, Noun 40!

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**nouncil.eth**
**FOR - 40 VOTES**
**Classic_Craig** | *"Yes, yes, yes. Proliferate to the gigabrains, please."* 
**EltonPenguin** | *"Good to raise awareness of Nouns
**Josep** | *"The work of Mono and Ale has been excellent during their implication with the DAO. Really looking forward to see what they can do with this Nouns Fair"*

> We believe this will help people be aware and build with Nouns. Thank you all! <3

**AGAINST - 4 VOTES**
**nonodynamo** | *"I do not think there is enough time or enough products to do this well."*

> Thanks for voting! Right now, we are on track to deliver all six events on time and with the deserved quality. We already did it in three countries, so we feel confident we'll deliver.

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**messhup.eth** 
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**dadkins.eth** 
Huge fan of this proposal for a lot of reasons. 
Love the idea of Nounish in-person activations.
Prior history of success.
Eyes = builders = flywheel.
And the vibes are immaculate.
Couldn't be more excited to support this team.
Let's ride! 
-House of Nouns team

> IRL activations are a vibe. Thanks for your support, HON team!

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**ccarella.eth** 
Supporting the Nouns Fair exposes talented developers to Nouns culture and incentivizes them to create innovative solutions, fostering the growth and long-term success of the Nouns ecosystem. 

> That's our goal and we'll do our best to accomplish it. Thanks for your support, ccarella.eth!

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**fund.explorergrants.eth** 
We are in favor of Nounish in-person activations. It could be nice to work with other groups like OTG to have a more cohesive plan of attack for these events and reduce costs, but this is worthwhile nonetheless.

> Some level of coordination/communication cross-sub-communities will help reduce costs for in-person activations when they overlap. We'll contact OTG to see how we can do something about it. Thanks for your support, Explorer Grants team!

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**benbodhi.⌐◨-◨** 
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> ⌐❤︎-❤︎ 

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**necfas.⌐◨-◨**
Good Aspects:
- Increased awareness and engagement with Nouns in the web3 developer community through IRL presence hackathons.
- Onboarding international builders and fostering a global community.
- Strengthening the Nouns brand by associating it with positive and memorable experiences.
- Encouraging developers to build on top of Nouns through the Nouns Prize.
- Promoting cultural exchange and diversity by blending local culture with Nouns in each event.
- Previous success with three editions of the Nouns Fair, demonstrating the team's experience and commitment.

Bad Aspects:
- The team will rely on external help for hosting, photo sets, swag, and recording, which may result in varying quality across different events.
- Events may be subject to change, and the team will need to adjust accordingly.

The past success of the Nouns Fair demonstrates that Mono & Ale are experienced and committed to achieving their goals. Budget seems reasonable considering the scale of the project. The impact of previous Nouns Fairs can't be ignored, having a nouns-powered set on the global events that involve one of the main target demographics seems very worthwhile. best of luck, keep up the good work.

> Thanks for such complete feedback. We do our best to keep the quality as high as possible across events. Every event is a challenge, and we adjust accordingly with excellent results so far. We'll do everything to continue like that. Thanks for your support, Necfas!

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**nounsprotector.eth** 
Imagine a world where voting does not exist. In this world, we would have no need for rules or principles. But in our world, voting is a reality. So we have a simple rule: we only vote against. We use a “Squad Vote” for each proposal. If more people vote against than vote for or abstain, we vote against on-chain. Otherwise, we abstain. This is our rule.

According to the “squad vote” result for proposal 257, which is 13 for, 19 against and 14 abstain, we choose to vote abstain.The viewpoints of our different members are as follows (source not listed):

Opinions opposing this proposal:
1. The past three Nouns Fairs seemed to prioritize creating a lively atmosphere more than genuinely onboarding builders, and they did not showcase Nounish ideas and products born at hackathons (perhaps it's not apparent yet, as some builders might not have built products on the spot but developed ideas later).
2. Financial details are excessively indulgent: (1) the average cost of each fair is $38,438, while the bounty for rewarding builders is only $5,000, accounting for 13%, with the rest considered as marketing costs; there is too much budget allocation for marketing surrounding the Hackthon; (2) after three iterations, some aspects could be standardized and streamlined to avoid reinventing the wheel, such as reusing materials, resulting in instances of financial waste; (3) the costs for each event vary, but in planning, each is set the same; if the funds are not fully used, will they be returned to the treasury?
3. Data does not meet expected plans. The organizer's initial goal was 1,000 Twitter followers, but after the first event, the actual number was 580. After hosting three events, Nouns Amigos currently has 1,200 followers, with the growth rate gradually decreasing and an average of 300 new followers per event.
4. In Proposal 180, the team pledged to save funds, with excess funds to be returned to NounsDAO. However, this statement is removed in the current proposal, and after 36 hours of inquiring on Discord, there has still been no response. The team has made some changes in the crucial details of the proposal's financial aspect. It makes me feel that the team deliberately doesn't want to clarify the issue of financial waste, and I am concerned about whether the team might obtain undue benefits from the implementation.

Supporting views on the proposal:
1. The issue is not whether the proposal should be implemented, but rather its cost-effectiveness. Raising Nouns' influence at Ethglobal IRL hackthons is something that should be done, with cost-effectiveness being a secondary concern.
2. The team can establish a professional Web3 event standard operating procedure (SOP).
3. The team has a track record of three successful events. The current Twitter followers are 1,000+. The average cost per follower is $50,000/1,000, or $50 per user. The data performance is at least average.

Points of uncertainty include:
1. I have not been to ETHGlobal in Mexico, Bogota, or San Francisco, so I cannot understand the local atmosphere. Moreover, the most important aspect of offline marketing proposals is the specific implementation by the two members; we need to hear firsthand opinions from those who have interacted with them. 
2. Although team have been able to execute events in the past, the team seems to have abandoned many original principles and become increasingly wasteful in the proposal, which makes me cautious.
3. NounsDAO proposals may exhibit a pattern of gradual governance attack. This starts with a few Small Grant deliveries, then bundles what should have been several small proposals into one large proposal, delivering low-quality results and pocketing the funds in between. This is an issue with the NounsDAO system. The NounsDAO system is imperfect, lacking supervision and feedback for long-term large proposals, as well as continuous incentives, potentially causing good actors to turn bad. Could Proposal 257 be an example of this gradual governance attack pattern? How can we solve this problem?
4. There are many conflicting thoughts regarding NounsDAO's financial scrutiny:
4.1 I believe that strict financial control will not yield good results, as financial systems need a mature community culture and relevant modules. Insisting on stringent requirements for any financial aspect in the absence of a solid foundation will do more harm than good to the system.
4.2 I think a 30% premium above the market rate is acceptable. Extra profit will make proposal deliveries more standardized and sustainable, reducing the sense of confusion and uncertainty for the implementing members on the cutting edge.
4.3 I can also understand the strict financial stance is resonable; if there is a 70% reduction in financial advocacy, then a 30% reduction in the financial budget may also be acceptable to the community. We should stick to strict financial discipline.

> Very interesting voting model and grateful for receiving such detailed feedback.
> 
> Addressing supportive views:
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> Developing a standard operating procedure (SOP) is something we've worked towards since the first event in Mexico. So far, we've standardized a few processes, which we keep improving. We also try to reduce costs without deteriorating the quality and experience we want to offer. We'll keep working to make the Nouns Fair as cost-effective as possible while keeping Nouns weird. Thanks for supporting us!
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> Addressing opposing views:
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> 1. The first three events focused on creating the atmosphere that characterizes these activations. In those events, we didn't offer a prize but helped people be aware of Nouns. That's part of why we decided to offer a prize to incentivize hackers to build with Nouns making their involvement with Nouns more tangible. We believe doing this constantly will result in a new wave of builders.
> 2. (1) The prize incentivizes hackers to build with Nouns and get a taste of what building with Nouns is. We believe this will spark people's curiosity enough to dig deeper into the rabbit hole. Seeing this as pure marketing is, in our opinion, ignoring the fact that Nouns are a big experimental meme. Only offering the prize, without the Nouns Fair device, won't have the same impact. Digging deeper on %s, this is how it looks: Nouns Prize 13%, doing the Nouns Fair: photo set, culture, design, operations (multimedia, shipping, hosts) 51.6%, traveling and accommodation 22.4%, management 13%. (2) Doing IRL events comes with challenges that are not visible unless you face them. These hackathons happen in different locations around the globe, the option of shipping the same material is more expensive than the cost of the materials themselves, making it unsustainable. Also, we've used as much rental material for the photoset as posible and/or given it away for local Nouns community for them to reuse. (3) Any unused funds will be returned to the DAO.
> 3. The 1,000 builders goal referred to the number of people that attended the event and would be exposed to Nouns, not Twitter followers. Mexico and Bogota were essential for Nouns Amigos' growth because there were more Spanish-speaking hackers. San Francisco was not linked to Nouns Amigos because we approached a more international public. In 2023 events, we will continue to onboard international builders. 
> 4. The changes we made in the budget were to reflect better categories such as swag, traveling, and operations. As mentioned before, any unused funds will be returned to the DAO.
> 
> Addressing uncertainty views:
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> 1 & 2. We included testimonials of attendees and a few videos to showcase the vibe. Also, this is ETHGlobal's testimonial about the Nouns Fair:
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> "We'd like to share our experience working with NounsDAO Amigos, a dynamic team of two equally talented creatives/technicals who delivered fresh takes on an established concept - the NounsDAO fair - at each of our events.
>
> We began our journey in August of '22 at ETHMexico, where we were treated to a genuine and playful spin on the NFT and Ethereum scene in Mexico. We were so pleased with the outcome that we decided to work together again in Bogota, Colombia, where we were organising the leading hackathon prior to Devcon; it became an instant favourite and helped introduce Nouns and various NFT artists in a lighthearted way while also creating a relaxing space for attendees to unwind. They also provided us with a fun submission celebration countdown!
> 
> Finally, at ETHSanFrancisco, we saw NounsDAO Amigos' full potential, as they went above and beyond to add value to our event, including a Volkswagen bus that we could repurpose as a cool video backdrop for interviews, as well as a quiet area to get people away from their screens and into the mood for a round of foosball.
> 
> The NounsDAO Amigos Team is a friendly, talented bunch, and working with them has been hassle-free. They value self-organisation and putting the community first, therefore we can only talk positively about our collaboration thus far."
> 
> –Chloe from ETHGlobal
>  
>  3 & 4. This isn't us. We have proactively delivered reports for every proposal we've made. We believe this is a good behavior that should be incentivized across the DAO. Having financial discipline is as important as having flexibility on execution, in our opinion.

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**thebower.eth** 
Reasons given in my newsletter: https://paragraph.xyz/@thebower/active-governance-noun-582-5

> We'll do our best to keep reducing costs while offering the best quality and experience we want to offer. Thanks for supporting us, thebower.eth!

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**smoothestbrain.⌐◨-◨** 
100% supportive of getting in front of more builders. 

> We'll do our best! Thanks for supporting us, smoothestbrain.⌐◨-◨!

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## Thank you!

And, of course, thank you all who voted FOR. This means a lot to us!

- vote.nounders.eth 
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- noun22.⌐◨-◨ 
- hot.4156.eth 
- metagov.lilnouns.eth 
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- joelcares.⌐◨-◨ 
- apenoun.eth 
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- nezha.⌐◨-◨ 
- thepencil.⌐◨-◨ 
- supriyo.eth 
- pnouns.⌐◨-◨ 
- krel.eth 
- seneca.eth 
- poap.eth 
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- eguegu.eth 
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- jihad.⌐◨-◨ 
- msizz.eth 
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- sidenoun.eth 
- 0xeb...1249 

Last but not least, we hope to change the perception of what we do for those who didn't vote, voted against, and abstained after all the work we'll do this year. We still want to thank you for making us think about how to keep improving.

Ale & Mono.

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