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## W's
1. the left isn't cartoonishly evil. Everyone is motivated by roughly the same things.
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## difference in beliefs
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### political compass

Nazis are left wing (fiscally and socially).

Fiscal policy: Nazis advocated a welfare state for German citizens ([Völkisch equality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_equality)
Racial policy:
Andrew: "generally the left support policies of racial discrimination, with 1 or 2 exceptions"

**Definition**
> any sane definition of socialism involves some combination of government regulation, redistribution of resources, and the power to effect more economic equality ([NYMag](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/why-glenn-greenwald-says-tucker-carlson-is-a-true-socialist.html))

**Who calls Nazis socialists?**
[Politico: Republicans Louie Gohmert (Texas) and Mo Brooks (Alaska)](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/26/congress-socialist-nazi-debate-1237472)
**Who calls Nazis right wing?**
Mussolini ([political compass](https://www.politicalcompass.org/faq#faq19))
American Heritage Dictionary
Roger Griffin, author of Fascism ([Daniel Malmer](https://danielmalmer.medium.com/the-long-complicated-history-of-the-14-defining-characteristics-of-fascism-e366412932f))

## equality

### agree

1. There should be laws which treat everyone equally
2. Laws should be enforced equally
3. If laws are somehow not being enforced equally between races, we should strengthen the laws

Q: If it's possible that they're not enforced equally, that sounds like an issue of enforcement, not of the original law. If there's a consistent issue, that sounds like a systemic problem, not a problem of a few bad peoples (you can't legislate how people feel). Is systemic justice possible, even if laws treat everyone equally? If so, how do we strengthen laws to ensure equal treatment, if the laws already say to treat everyone equally? In particular, how do we address this racial inequality, without proscribing outcomes based on race?

### disagree

Andrew: Laws which prescribe outcomes based on race are racist
Mihai: Laws which attempt to lower inequality between races are not racist

### nuance

Mihai: prescribing outcomes based on race is a non-ideal way of achieving equality. especially when the pool of candidates doesn't match the proscribed outcome. equality of opportunity is preferable, but much harder to achieve.
Andrew: government should only go as far as ensuring policies are non racial

## undermining democracy

Andrew: 

## open threads

look up what was said here:
> In the state of Ohio, a conversation between Republican officials was recorded that demonstrated that redistricting was being done to aid their political candidates. Furthermore, the discussions assessed race of voters as a factor in redistricting, because African-Americans had backed Democratic candidates. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States