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# Meeting Notes, Mar 26, 2022

* Previous reading notes are [here (Discussion, part 1)](https://hackmd.io/x0drOjGwQ8ioXsaSTDnZzA)
* Frank's initial document is [here (Whither Zettlr)](https://hackmd.io/F9_2vBBrSIaFPriuf33foA)
* cobblepot's initial document is [here (Software for notes and academic writing)](https://hackmd.io/Ytn0P-AFR7adhS5Crti8jw?view)
* Hendrik's initial document is [here (On the Future of Zettlr)](https://hackmd.io/@hendrikerz/Skg6DfxWc)

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- roys
    - it is a very good tool for academics/researchers, yes
    - References are cool (core feature?)
    - LaTeX looks cool, but obvs. hard to understand
    - Crucial is: _interoperability_ (he uses Zettlr+Obsidian)
    - end-to-end writing pipeline
    - improvable: spell checking and grammar (double spaces, etc.)
    - can we please have hierarchical tags since tags is a non markdown standard already. This would be so useful for PKM/KM in general.
    - :smile: there is revealjs support to export to slides already.
    - using zettlr to reduce redundancy e.g. same markdown files to export to notes, slides and papers.
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- [hiperterminal](https://www.conector.red/david/) (the guy from Bogota)
    - centralize writing in Zettlr (blogposts, journal articles, books, basically everything in one place)
    - Many people in his lab are now using TiddlyWiki instead of Zettlr (more wiki-like/ZKN stuff and using transclusion)
    - But TiddlyWiki is compatible to Zettlr
    - Use-case digital preservation (i.e. no migration)
    - learning from workflow of other people.
    - [Here my workflow](http://hiperterminal.com/david/personal/en/blog/2022-08-09-flujo-de-informacion-zettelkasten)
- kyaso:
    - not an academic, currently in industry
    - using it as PKM; uses the linking stuff
    - also tried Obsidian, but the main selling point was Open Source
- cobblepot:
    - Doesn’t use Zettlr as a main tool, he’s using some Open Source mind mapping tool as well as Roam and Obsidian
    - He’s mainly using Zettlr as a Pandoc GUI (lol)
    - ‘50,000 feet bird’s eye view on software’
    - There are some unmet needs for academics: for him personally, what is lacking is a one-shot integration of writing small atomic notes as well as long-form writing
    - Zettlr is not able to handle too long documents, as well as managing outlining (i.e. put notes together and so on)
    - Also: Multi-window!!
    - roys_note: rolling text at different levels e.g. using a shortcut to roll h2 etc
- Piankhy:
    - Is an archaeologist
    - Also multiple windows
    - A cool feature would be to have footnotes next to the text instead of having them either at the bottom of the document or in tooltips → roys chimes in (as a tab next to references tab)
    - Uses Zettlr for long form writing
    - Previously he literally had a Zettel*kasten* :D
    - Came from Word, then moved directly to LaTeX
    - Scrivener also has a few features that would suit Zettlr well
    - Doesn’t use Zettelkasten methodology

- Frank Carver:
    - Usability issues. Some logic to the flow of work in Zettlr
    - Have used Tiddlywiki but ran into issues with browser permissions
    - roys_note: Template for new notes???
    - Telemetry??? to help make these decisions 
    - Modes of working
    - recipes

- Hendrik:
    - If people can provide some feedback on how their workflow looks like in detail. e.g. what does their prefered
    - Prefers to not include telemetry to make it fully clear that zettlr values your privacy and having these meetings is the main way to get users feedback. roys_note: and obviously there is discord server.
    - Suggested proceedure:
        - announce to people on discord to write about people workflow (10-12)
        - see the common elements of those workflows and use as what would've been telemetry
        - Frank chimes in about writing about specific recipes of parts of the workflow where you are more confident. 1-2 paragraphs
        - Analyse it in 2-3 weeks